mckay
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Post by mckay on Nov 29, 2007 21:35:50 GMT -5
I can kind of see why it might make sense. There have been times when I've considered cheating, and while I'd risk taking the zero myself if I got caught, I wouldn't want to do that to someone else. I'm not sure if that's a driving factor for many people, though...
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macca
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Post by macca on Nov 30, 2007 0:11:38 GMT -5
I can kind of see why it might make sense. There have been times when I've considered cheating, and while I'd risk taking the zero myself if I got caught, I wouldn't want to do that to someone else. I'm not sure if that's a driving factor for many people, though... Yeah, but you'd have to rely on the (usually adolescent) student having enough of a conscience. I wouldn't count on it, personally, but I'm a cynic ;D
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Post by candykane on Feb 6, 2008 16:39:03 GMT -5
This book is another example of Janine being a good sister to Claudia. I was glad that she believed Claudia didn't cheat on the test and thought it was awesome that she stood up for her. Does anyone else think that they made Claudia stupider as the series progressed? At the beginning, she was portrayed more as careless and sloppy in her work, but not dumb. In this book, she shows that by studying she really can get an A...in math, no less! But after this book it just seemed like her spelling and handwriting got worse and worse, then she went back to 7th grade...anyway, I liked this book even though having them retake the test right away would have been the most obvious solution.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 6, 2008 16:42:44 GMT -5
^ Agree about Janine and retaking the test. I'm about to reread so may have more thoughts on this one then. As for Claudia getting stupider, I don't know that she necessarily did or just tried less. After all, she did show in later books that she could succeed. In 7th grade, I think she got pretty good grades. As for the spelling and handwriting, I attribute that to the ghost writers ;D
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Post by candykane on Feb 6, 2008 16:50:08 GMT -5
You mean when she had to go back to 7th, or when she was in it the first time? It's been a looong time since I read any where she was demoted.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 6, 2008 16:57:57 GMT -5
^ When she was back in 7th. The first time, she even says that she just tuned out so didn't get any of it, which is how she got behind. Then she kept slipping further and further, getting more and more behind (at least that's what I remember her saying. Maybe I'm making this up ;D) This makes sense to me how she could kind of get "stupider" in being more behind because I've seen it happen to a lot of kids. I've seen some actually put themselves in special ed by not trying for so many years, even though they were really smart as kids. Then they can catch up, if they start trying....
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Post by candykane on Feb 6, 2008 17:01:33 GMT -5
I do remember in Kristy's Great Idea that she said her parents got "one of those letters from school that said she wasn't trying hard enough" and that she had to spend a whole weekend catching up on all the homework she didn't do so far this year. I also remember in Claudia & the Phantom Phone Calls (I think) that she states that her IQ is above average, but she doesn't say what it is. She does say Janine's is 196.
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nothingtolose18
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Post by nothingtolose18 on Feb 6, 2008 18:02:15 GMT -5
Man, I feel soooo bad for Claudia in this book! Being accused of something that you didn't do is NEVER fun. I remember getting angry reading this book, because of the unfairness of it all - I know, I know, Claud was doing worse than Shawna, but that's no reason to assume, though maybe if I was in the teacher's position I would as well, but I wouldn't punish either without proof. I didn't like Mary Anne in this book, either. She should support Claudia, not think that she cheated. I know that it's easy to get doubts in your mind, but she shouldn't of spoken them aloud. I also think that her parents were doubtful, as well. I loved Janine in this book, and how she got everything sorted out for Claud! What a great big sister I have cheated on a test before, I believe it was only one, and it wasn't even for me. I actually helped my friend. She didn't know a question and she was practically crying because she thought she was going to fail, and she was whispering how she couldn't fail. So I felt really bad for her and gave her just a couple answers. I felt so guilty that I told my mom that night, and she was disappointed in me, but she never told my teacher on me or anything.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 6, 2008 20:26:01 GMT -5
^ I agree about feeling for Claud (just wish she would have let her parents help....) and about MA not supporting her. I wish Claudia wouldn't have done the same thing, basically, with questioning Stacey in Missing Ring. I also loved Janine. Have never cheated but have been cheated off of and it was awful. I'm glad that my parents believed me and my teacher, too, but it still created a lot of problems....
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Post by helsieboo on Feb 7, 2008 4:02:10 GMT -5
A friend of mine copied my homework once, which was for a pretty important grade at the time. The teacher was a cow and failed both of us, despite my friend saying 'It wasn't Helen's fault, she had no idea I copied, fail me.'
I did feel sorry for Claudia, I thought she was silly not letting her parents help though, but Mary Anne! Jaysus! What a b*tch. I really don't think she was all that nice a person, instead using her tears to cover her nasty streak.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 8, 2008 15:58:52 GMT -5
This book is another example of Janine being a good sister to Claudia. I was glad that she believed Claudia didn't cheat on the test and thought it was awesome that she stood up for her. Does anyone else think that they made Claudia stupider as the series progressed? At the beginning, she was portrayed more as careless and sloppy in her work, but not dumb. In this book, she shows that by studying she really can get an A...in math, no less! But after this book it just seemed like her spelling and handwriting got worse and worse, then she went back to 7th grade...anyway, I liked this book even though having them retake the test right away would have been the most obvious solution. I know I already answered this a few posts ago but I just read Queen of the Seventh Grade where Claud talks about how she was almost "smart" when she was back in 7th. The other kids were kind of looking to her for help, even. It's books like that which make me think that Claudia is a lot smarter than she lets on. I like to see her being smart (or smarter ;D) and succeeding in school - like with the good grade on the test in this one. Wish she could have just decided that being good in school wasn't necessarily a bad thing - even if she couldn't be as smart as Janine.
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starrynight
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Post by starrynight on Feb 14, 2008 12:02:47 GMT -5
I was always a little bored by the math talk in this book. I loved Claudia's thoughts on the word problem about making cookies, and how she wouldn't waste time trying to figure out how much chocolate should go in each cookie, but instead would just dump it all in there.
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Post by greer on Feb 14, 2008 12:51:07 GMT -5
claud's right--who measures out chocolate chips?
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Penny Lane
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Post by Penny Lane on Feb 14, 2008 13:09:49 GMT -5
me. But I haven't made cookies in forever. Usually I just buy the pre-made dough and then whine for a couple hours about how wasteful it is ... while I'm eating the dough before it's cooked. Which might be why I stopped making cookies.
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Post by greer on Feb 14, 2008 13:16:39 GMT -5
i use the premade dough too, but don't eat it before it's cooked. in high school, our school snack-bar thing sold the uncooked dough. it was very popular.
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