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Post by wiggir13 on Aug 29, 2011 12:04:10 GMT -5
Yeah I don't really see that either. I just think that MA was growing and Logan wasn't. I do think Logan was very clingy but that is sort of typically when people don't understand and want to let it go.
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Post by sarish on Aug 30, 2011 12:43:07 GMT -5
I remember reading this when I was like 12 and hating it, but as an adult reading it, I really felt they were both better without the other. It was strange with Kristy - she can be 'friendly' with Logan and talk to him, but going on about how great he was and not siding with her best friend about it was strange.
Pete and Dave asking her out made me laugh - but it was cute.
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Post by anzuhana on Apr 5, 2012 9:10:46 GMT -5
I know. I feel that if Mary Anne and Logan got back together, Mary Anne would dump Logan again for the same reason.
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Post by celaeno on Sept 26, 2014 13:13:57 GMT -5
From the FF books I've read, I feel like they do a good job of keeping everyone in-character, despite the shift in the tone in the books. However, I felt like Kristy was out-of-character in this one with how she was acting around Logan. I always had the impression that Kristy never really warmed up to Logan (I see Kristy as being pretty jealous regarding Mary Anne's other relationships, so in my mind, deep down she would always have a little dislike of Dawn and Logan), so to me it felt out-of-character for Kristy to say she still wants to hang out with Logan and be friendly with him, and for Mary Anne to see them chatting and joking together. I felt that once Mary Anne and Logan broke up, Kristy would have no continued connection to Logan.
(I feel that Logan, on the other hand, did like Kristy, as I think he's one of those easy-going people who genuinely likes most other people, so I don't think it's strange that he would continue to be friendly toward her.)
I really liked the conversation between Dawn and Mary Anne at the end of the book. I think everything Dawn said was really spot-on and insightful.
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Post by virgoscorpio on Sept 27, 2014 18:40:53 GMT -5
I really liked Mary Anne and Claud's relationship in this one; felt like they were the closest pairing. It was interesting to read how Mary Anne felt like she had the most in common with Claud. Felt a bit sad at the change in friendships: Mary Anne saying how Dawn is no longer her best friend and how Kristy is no longer her one tried and true friend. Also, the Claud and Stacey feud which lasts the entire series.
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Post by celaeno on Sept 29, 2014 22:24:52 GMT -5
Some comments on if you want to spend too much time thinking about the cover:
Mary Anne is holding a letter from Logan. It looks like they used his "real" font - that's a nice detail.
You can only see parts of the letter. It looks like it says: Dear Mary Anne, I don't know how to say all the things I want to say. We've been through so much together - from the very first moment I saw you, I knew that you would be a gigantic part of my life and you have been. But now I'm not so sure a____ where we're going. I _____ you, but right now I _____ confused ____________ _______ _______ _______ have ________ ____ spend a lit_____ time apart. I ho___ understand - I ______ will (I know you s_____ do I?).
So, if you want to read too much into it: this doesn't make sense. Any letters from Logan pre-fire would be lost, so this would have to be from after the fire, but that makes it sound like Logan is the one ending the relationship. And there's no mention in this book of Logan writing Mary Anne a note.
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Post by greer on Sept 30, 2014 7:12:19 GMT -5
I think for the cover, the photographer just told an intern to write a breakup letter.
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Post by andrew on Sept 30, 2019 9:12:44 GMT -5
I didn't like another breakup happening, and the portrayal of it was less well-done than the first time, but still engaging and with pretty good writing of the characters.
The breakup was pretty rushed and underdeveloped but also believable enough, even though how much she was disliking and displeased with Logan was too sudden it also fit with the broader idea that Mary Anne had grown and changed a lot. It was nice that though they both had their faults I think neither Mary Anne and Logan were really villainous (though she at times thought he was and his friends very much were) it also was nice that while the other club members, to different extents, didn't really get why the breakup happened they were still very supportive of her. Kristy going on being friends with both and defending that was fitting though it was too bad she said she didn't feel at all romantic about Logan and even if she did wouldn't act on it, cutting off that possibility really quickly.
Mary Anne resenting Logan's friends for supporting him and Kristy also thinking that was a guy thing (while girls sticking together is natural, taken for granted, positive, expected) was pretty selective but OK selective perception.
I also don't think Logan is controlling or would be abusive, it did feel more like Mary Anne got too annoyed at minor things (that he suggested they go to the Rosebud one more time, "Why not," after she said no once, that he once continued to disagree and argue with her about whether a movie was dumb) and/or didn't express herself as much or strongly as she thought she had. But near the end he did become too angry with and dismissive of her, saying he wanted to work things out but dismissing her claim that he was too possessive with no one can please you.
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Post by andrew on May 27, 2020 9:07:23 GMT -5
It's interesting that Richard would have When Harry Met Sally, it wasn't really clear whether he had let Mary Anne watch it before or she was thinking of watching it for the first time unauthorized.
On the cover Mary Anne's hair is long again, though I don't think the writing said it was, and very dark.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on May 27, 2020 10:45:48 GMT -5
^ it’s written as chin length in the book.
I like book, the break up isn’t handled as well but still decent.Logan only seems controlling when the plot needs him to I think. I really like how Dave and Pete asked her out after she dumped Logan though. Maybe one day she would date one of them?
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Post by cnj on Jun 28, 2021 1:31:36 GMT -5
It's interesting that Richard would have When Harry Met Sally, it wasn't really clear whether he had let Mary Anne watch it before or she was thinking of watching it for the first time unauthorized. I think Richard didn't mind Mary Anne watching that film...remember he loosened up lots after Mary Anne Saves the Day. On the cover Mary Anne's hair is long again, though I don't think the writing said it was, and very dark. True, the writing never mentioned her hair length...but her hair has always been very dark, so the hair color was not new or different. I really like how Dave and Pete asked her out after she dumped Logan though. Maybe one day she would date one of them? If she did date again, it probably wouldn't be for a very long time...she needed time to heal from Logan. I'm glad the series didn't hook Mary Anne up with a new boyfriend too soon. I actually think eighth grade is a little too young to really date...at least wait until ninth grade.
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Post by oldmeanie on Oct 4, 2023 11:55:13 GMT -5
This is surprisingly my least favorite one so far.
I found the quote I've been referring to!
"I nodded, remembering when I thought of Logan as one of my best friends. There was also a time when I’d thought of my stepsister, Dawn, as a best friend. Then she’d moved away. Why did things have to change?" This is actually pretty sad that they grew apart. Although they do still seem at least somewhat close in the phone call.
I'm glad that she finally broke up with Logan. I think it needed to happen earlier, though.
I definitely felt the awkwardness of their "date." It sounded so miserable. I get where Mary Anne was coming from when she insisted on choosing the restaurant, although I can see how it would be annoying.
Not sure I buy 3 sports teams giving Mary Anne the side-eye. This book is very overdramatic. I do see how a breakup could shake up the dynamics of your friend group, though (it definitely did in mine. You know what, I take it back. It isn't overdramatic at all).
Logan is very annoying and pushy. Good God. They really dialed up his bad traits here. I'm totally on Mary Anne's side. He justifies making the decisions all the time by saying he knows Mary Anne so well anyway. It's true she needs to speak up more, but in this one she does and he practically ignores that fact. I can't stand how he keeps asking her to get back together. Over and over again. I would say get a hint, but she's giving him more than a hint! I cannot stand his behavior in the chapter on the night of the dance, not even leaving when Mary Anne asked him to. Wtf dude.
Kristy irks me too. She feels OOC. In Everything Changes, she was urging Mary Ann to break up with Logan. Here, she thinks Mary Anne is crazy and is acting friendly with Logan. I'm not saying she can't be friends with him, it just feels... off. Like not something Kristy would do. She's not being the supportive best friend she should be.
I have to say that I really like Mary Anne and Claud growing closer. Also like that Abby is still in FF.
The phone call with Dawn was pretty insightful. Dawn might have been kind of harsh, but I think she's right.
Mary Anne tells Claudia that she's more of an individual than Dawn. Interesting! I've always felt that way myself. I think it's partly because Claudia doesn't feel the need to tell people she's an individual. She shows it. Claudia is definitely my favorite in FF.
Stacey, however, is definitely my least favorite. Good God she is annoying! Sorry Stacey, not everyone is a serial monogamist. I thought it was common knowledge that many people like to be single awhile after a breakup? Especially such a long-term one. Holy crap give the girl a chance to figure out who she is on her own! Same can be said for other SMS students. I really feel like FF Stacey is almost a different character. Does anyone else feel like this?
This one has a few inconsistencies. They bother me so much!
"I remembered when my best friend, Kristy Thomas, took the shot. It was the day I’d cut my long brown hair into a chin-length style." She also proceeds to explain that this was before Logan saw it. That's basically ignoring the entire plot of Mary Anne's Makeover. Argh!
"While it cooked, I opened the living room cabinet where we keep the videos. We have a pretty big collection." This makes no sense. I thought maybe she was referring to the Goldmans' collection, but no, it reads like the Schafer-Spier collection. There's no way that was rescued from the rubble. No way at all. Maybe they restocked their collection, but I doubt it. That's expensive!
Then ofc Kristy acting so differently from Everything Changes. So annoying.
I found this one a little annoying somehow, mostly because of Logan and Stacey's pushiness and Kristy's OOC-ness. It has some interesting quotes, but it's too inconsistent for me to rate it high. I think I give it a 4.
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