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Post by Lila on Dec 11, 2009 0:57:47 GMT -5
Maryanne is a b*tch over half the time. I snicker when I read "Sensitive" yeah, she's got em all played for fools. And she's always been an insensitive little b*tch too. I'm reading Mary Anne saves the day and I'm shocked to see Mary Anne say how her father overdoes it by blessing Alma at meals. She thinks its good enough she blesses her at night. Wow Mary Anne! Then what she said about Dawn: "She wasn't exactly pretty, I decided, but she was pleasant" Wow, what a b*tch!!!So please, quote some of the best Mary Anne b*tch moments! I want to read them all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2009 20:36:54 GMT -5
I don't have the book with me at the moment, but in number 18 (Stacey's Mistake), Mary Anne decides to buddy up to the New York kids by selling Dawn out. She tells them all about Dawn and what an idiot she is for being so terrified of the city. She gets her wish: the NY kids laugh a lot, but Dawn is pretty upset. You would think so, right? I mean, duh. But no-oo, Mary Anne is all shocked when Dawn calls her on her back-stabbing and immediately, Mary Anne starts sobbing. I was always thought "Grow up, MA, if you're going to be awful, at least have the decency not to make everyone else feel sorry for you".
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Post by Lila on Dec 11, 2009 21:36:30 GMT -5
LOL ! I totally forgot about that part! Here's one that i was raising my eyebrow at: Mary anne's idea of Jenny Prezzio. "She's never going to be what her mother expects her to be." in Mary Anne Saves the Day. I was gaping at how cruel that thought about the kid was.
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Post by Amalia on Dec 12, 2009 5:14:18 GMT -5
I don't know any quotes but the entire book of Mary Anne and Miss Priss seemed a little insensitive. I mean, so what if Jenny didn't want to go out and play sports of all things because she didn't want herself to get dirty, and Mary Anne thinking she's being prissy for not doing it.
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Post by Lila on Dec 13, 2009 4:22:06 GMT -5
One thing that she does continuously is buddy up with Dawn and abandons Kristy as "best friend" which is pretty cold. I'd be really upset if i was Kristy. But maybe from Kristy's PoV she's glad to give Mary Anne over to Dawn, its like saying "here i had her for 13 yrs now its YOUR turn to deal with her angst!" LOL
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Post by fluffycakes on Dec 13, 2009 11:36:38 GMT -5
^ The thing that bothered me about that was MA got really close to Dawn and spent less time with Kristy, which happens, but as soon as Dawn left for California, MA went right back to Kristy. It seemed like she was subsituting Kristy for Dawn, which made me feel bad for Kristy.
Usually, though, I love MA's snarky side! One of my favourite examples is in MA Saves the Day, and she's writing letters of "apology" to her friends. It reminds me of that scene in Mean Girls where someone says "I'm sorry I called you a gap-toothed b*tch. It's not your fault you're so gap-toothed." ;D
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Post by booboobrewer on Dec 13, 2009 19:22:49 GMT -5
I don't have the book with me at the moment, but in number 18 (Stacey's Mistake), Mary Anne decides to buddy up to the New York kids by selling Dawn out. She tells them all about Dawn and what an idiot she is for being so terrified of the city. She gets her wish: the NY kids laugh a lot, but Dawn is pretty upset. You would think so, right? I mean, duh. But no-oo, Mary Anne is all shocked when Dawn calls her on her back-stabbing and immediately, Mary Anne starts sobbing. I was always thought "Grow up, MA, if you're going to be awful, at least have the decency not to make everyone else feel sorry for you". Ugh, I forgot what a meanie-mo Mary Anne was to Dawn there. But kids at that age will sometimes do that to their friends to act "cool" and get in with the more popular kids. I don't think that Mary Anne intentionally wants people to feel sorry for her when she starts crying in those moments, though. Like in Middle School Mystery when Kristy gets upset about the way she's talking to Claudia ("even if you DID cheat...") I think the perceived judgment from her friends gets her emotional very quickly, so instead of an immediate "I'm sorry" the tears come first. Still, no excuse for making them feel like crap in the first place!
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Post by digigirl02 on Dec 13, 2009 20:16:05 GMT -5
Kinda like a defence mechinism in a way? In some twisted sort of way, it does make a bit of sense.
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Post by alula on Dec 13, 2009 23:46:03 GMT -5
^ The thing that bothered me about that was MA got really close to Dawn and spent less time with Kristy, which happens, but as soon as Dawn left for California, MA went right back to Kristy. It seemed like she was subsituting Kristy for Dawn, which made me feel bad for Kristy. Usually, though, I love MA's snarky side! One of my favourite examples is in MA Saves the Day, and she's writing letters of "apology" to her friends. It reminds me of that scene in Mean Girls where someone says "I'm sorry I called you a gap-toothed b*tch. It's not your fault you're so gap-toothed." ;D I LOVE snarky Mary Anne. #4 was the first book I read, and even at age six, I got to that scene and was like, OMG, I AM Mary Anne. That may be why her lapses in sensitivity/sympathy don't offend me as much as I think they do other people--I know all about how being shy and anxious draws your attention back to yourself in ways that can become self-absorption, how you can become bitchy and passive-aggressive because you don't know how to be direct, and how hard it can be not to cry sometimes--even if you aren't that deeply hurt--and then you have to deal with people's reactions to THAT. Mary Anne is messed up, yo. No wonder she's the one who needs therapy. I have to say, though, I always LIKED how in #4 she says that about her father blessing Alma at every meal. I thought that was very realistic and honest, and it's not like she says it to his face. She's allowed to have complicated feelings about grieving for her mother. And I don't see the comment about Jenny being particularly bitchy either; I thought it was sympathetic. No little girl is likely to be the "perfect angel" Mrs. P seems to want 24/7.
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Post by oldhickory on Dec 30, 2009 1:35:57 GMT -5
it doesn't bother me that the writers made mary anne a big meanie. but at least they should own up to it :]
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Post by Amalia on Dec 30, 2009 4:39:11 GMT -5
it doesn't bother me that the writers made mary anne a big meanie. but at least they should own up to it :] ^ Well, Ann did say that Mary Anne was most like herself, so maybe she didn't want to call herself a meanie? I never thought that Mary Anne's bitchier moments clashed with her being labeled someone that was more sensitive to other people's feelings, or being a good listener just like how Kristy's bitchiness towards some that are not in her circle (Kristy and the Snobs come to mind) doesn't clash with how caring she is with kids. I dunno. I mean, everybody has moods, I guess.
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Post by celaeno on Dec 30, 2009 8:59:46 GMT -5
Then what she said about Dawn: "She wasn't exactly pretty, I decided, but she was pleasant" Wow, what a b*tch!!!I don't agree that's bitchy at all. Those were Mary Anne's private thoughts. So if I don't think that every person on the planet is pretty, I'm a b*tch? I liked her description of Dawn a lot; it's nice to have a main character in a book that isn't described as gorgeous or beautiful (and of course this clashes with the later books, where Dawn is, naturally, drop-dead gorgeous). I liked that it showed that not being particularly pretty does not equate to being ugly; you can still be pleasant looking. ITA.
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Post by celaeno on Dec 30, 2009 9:19:34 GMT -5
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to share my thoughts on this.
I don’t agree that Mary Anne is insensitive. On the other hand, I do think she can have bitchy outbursts. I don’t think being insensitive and being bitchy are the same thing.
There are two kinds of sensitive:
GOOD sensitive is when you’re perceptive and understanding of other people’s feelings, even when those people might be trying to hide those feelings.
BAD sensitive is when you’re very touchy, and easily hurt and wounded by what other people may be thinking, saying, or doing.
I think Mary Anne is BOTH kinds of sensitive, and I don’t think it’s contradictory. She can be very kind, and cares when other people are hurting. On the other hand, she gets VERY hurt when someone else offends her (and she’s so sensitive, that often she can imagine those offenses). And when that happens, watch out, because here comes the inner b*tch.
So I don’t think she’s insensitive; if anything, she’s hypersensitive.
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Post by msstock87 on Dec 30, 2009 15:49:19 GMT -5
Celaeno, you made some very good points. I have to agree that I think Mary Anne is probably both kinds of sensitive. I know a few people that are exactly like Mary Anne in that sense.
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Post by Amalia on Jan 1, 2010 1:13:03 GMT -5
I think that Mary Anne becomes less and less sensitive as the series goes along. She gets to the point where she's not really that sensitive anymore. I mean, in the later books, when she cries it just seems like a bodily reaction rather than thinking that she has been hurt. I remember, although not specific instances, where she finds herself crying and quickly wipes away the tears because she quickly sees that it is not the place for that or that she shouldn't do that.
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