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Post by BuckinghamAlice on Jan 25, 2012 16:43:43 GMT -5
I have to agree with celaeno that MA shows more than one kind of sensitivity but can be a bit of a b*tch from time to time. It doesn't necessarily conflict, IMO. I think Mary Anne, like anyone else (specifically a girl her age) has her snarky moments. (I kind of love the snarkiness in BSC... it feels so authentic.)
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Post by virgoscorpio on Jan 26, 2012 12:09:33 GMT -5
I don't know if this makes any sense to anyone but me, but I always thought part of the reason why Mary Anne seemed insensitive in the books she narrated (especially), well, because, she narrated them! Ann or Mr. or Mrs. ghostie are able to portray more of the narrator's deeper feelings on stuff. If Mary Anne was just fully sensitive and passive, as she's often portrayed in Chapter 2s, she'd be a total pushover. IMO that would be BORING and also a bad rep for kids.
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Post by sillybillygoogoo on Oct 9, 2012 12:53:23 GMT -5
I think Mary Anne was awful in Mary Anne and the Great Romance and Dawn's Wicked Stepsister. She can be very passive-aggressive and tactless. In the latter book, I hate when she tells Dawn (paraphrasing); "Don't think of not going to the dance as not being able to get a date."
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Post by supprazz on Oct 28, 2012 19:13:50 GMT -5
yeah she was pretty terrible in wicked stepsister, she lost points with me for that though I complain about Dawn all the time, I could sympathize with Dawn in this book, Dawn's Big Date, Dawn and the Older Boy and Farewell Dawn though
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Post by Kylie90210 on Oct 29, 2012 21:20:49 GMT -5
From MA Saves the Day:
"... and you, Kristin Amanda Thomas, are the biggest, bossiest know-it-all in the world, and I don't care if I never see you again!"
How many times does MA tell people to get out of her life forever?!
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Post by zoar3 on Oct 29, 2012 22:16:34 GMT -5
^I never made that connection before, Kylie. What MA said to Dawn was more direct but wow this was sure close. I just checked and at the end of this book when Dawn is walking down the stairs, MA yells at her to "have a nice trip," with emphasis on the "trip." It was Dawn who retorted, "Have a nice life." I guess the lesson is if MA is unhappy for any reason, best to steer clear of her lest she throw a cup at you or a mean remark.
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Post by Kylie90210 on Oct 30, 2012 21:55:46 GMT -5
Lol, very true. You don't think she'd be the one to make someone leave her life forever by forcing a 'trip' on them...? Lol.
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Post by zoar3 on Oct 30, 2012 22:12:14 GMT -5
^I certainly would hope not. I do remember way back when Courtney and I were working on the IA fanfic, Courtney was raring to (literally) get rid of Dawn. MA could make Dawn walk the plank, thus "tripping" her.
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Post by booboobrewer on Oct 31, 2012 17:30:31 GMT -5
MA tells people to leave her life forever when she's angry at them... In Stacey's Movie we learn that she is angry at her mother for leaving her...
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Post by virgoscorpio on Oct 31, 2012 18:19:29 GMT -5
^ Ooooooh! Definitely makes sense.
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Post by Kylie90210 on Nov 20, 2012 21:48:33 GMT -5
^ That does make sense, sadly.
Just came across this though:
"You know, not bothering to tell a person the real truth," Dawn went on, "is just as bad as telling lies. You've been lying to me the whole time we were friends, you know that?" "Hey, that is not true!" I cried, jumping up. "Why should I believe that, coming from a liar? I'll tell you what I do believe, though. I believe I was pretty convenient when you needed a new friend. . . . No, don't say anything, Mary Anne," she rushed on when I started to protest. "I know the rest of this story. See you later." Dawn stomped down the stairs. I jumped up and ran after her. "Watch those steps," I said sarcastically. "Hope you have a nice trip."
From MA Saves the Day. A little harsh? Dawn was right.
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Post by zoar3 on Nov 20, 2012 23:04:36 GMT -5
Dawn was exactly right! I'm re-reading "Maid Mary Anne," and on page 60 MA says, "I didn't want her (Dawn) to say anything too positive about CA. Dawn belonged here, in Stoneybrook." MA also "realizes" she is thinking about/treating Dawn similarly to how the nurse at the hospital brushed off Mrs. Towne as a person by asking "How are we?" I guess this was fore-warning for Dawn to beware of flying mugs when she decides to leave for good.
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Post by andrew on Jun 5, 2017 15:42:44 GMT -5
^ That does make sense, sadly. Just came across this though: "You know, not bothering to tell a person the real truth," Dawn went on, "is just as bad as telling lies. You've been lying to me the whole time we were friends, you know that?" "Hey, that is not true!" I cried, jumping up. "Why should I believe that, coming from a liar? I'll tell you what I do believe, though. I believe I was pretty convenient when you needed a new friend. . . . No, don't say anything, Mary Anne," she rushed on when I started to protest. "I know the rest of this story. See you later." Dawn stomped down the stairs. I jumped up and ran after her. "Watch those steps," I said sarcastically. "Hope you have a nice trip." From MA Saves the Day. A little harsh? Dawn was right. Eh, I thought Dawn was being a lot harsher/overly harsh, that a person lying about something (especially about something embarrassing or painful and/or unusual) makes that person a liar who lies and is untrustworthy about everything and you can't even respect them enough to talk to or finish talking to, it's not worth learning why they didn't tell the truth or what had really happened. Joking someone should trip down stairs is mean but kind of a reasonable match to Dawn basically saying she didn't care about her at all. It's interesting that neither Mary Anne and Dawn specifically apologize for either the lie or reaction, Dawn just assumed/realized MA was sorry and maybe she had overreacted and then got really excited about their parents' connection and getting to join the club. That Mary Anne didn't later object to or complain about the reaction and accepted her outreach I think shows she realizes she had also been at least somewhat wrong and Dawn's reaction was at least understandable.
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Post by booklover85 on Jun 5, 2017 20:31:06 GMT -5
^ That does make sense, sadly. Just came across this though: "You know, not bothering to tell a person the real truth," Dawn went on, "is just as bad as telling lies. You've been lying to me the whole time we were friends, you know that?" "Hey, that is not true!" I cried, jumping up. "Why should I believe that, coming from a liar? I'll tell you what I do believe, though. I believe I was pretty convenient when you needed a new friend. . . . No, don't say anything, Mary Anne," she rushed on when I started to protest. "I know the rest of this story. See you later." Dawn stomped down the stairs. I jumped up and ran after her. "Watch those steps," I said sarcastically. "Hope you have a nice trip." From MA Saves the Day. A little harsh? Dawn was right. Eh, I thought Dawn was being a lot harsher/overly harsh, that a person lying about something (especially about something embarrassing or painful and/or unusual) makes that person a liar who lies and is untrustworthy about everything and you can't even respect them enough to talk to or finish talking to, it's not worth learning why they didn't tell the truth or what had really happened. Joking someone should trip down stairs is mean but kind of a reasonable match to Dawn basically saying she didn't care about her at all. It's interesting that neither Mary Anne and Dawn specifically apologize for either the lie or reaction, Dawn just assumed/realized MA was sorry and maybe she had overreacted and then got really excited about their parents' connection and getting to join the club. That Mary Anne didn't later object to or complain about the reaction and accepted her outreach I think shows she realizes she had also been at least somewhat wrong and Dawn's reaction was at least understandable. It seemed like Mary Anne and Dawn had problems with each other since the beginning. Especially Mary Anne towards Dawn. Relationships that started out with a lie tend to end up badly. At the same time though, I can't blame Mary Anne for lying. Admitting to an outsider that you are in the middle of a major fight with your friends must me difficult.
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Post by andrew on Jun 6, 2017 8:22:01 GMT -5
^Yeah, especially when you only have a few friends and not long before had had really few friends (and the oldest friend now seems maybe the most mad at you and you're also pretty mad at that person).
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