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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2007 19:08:07 GMT -5
I always though Claire was so adorable! A bit babish, but that's what made her charm. I liked her little expression, especially ''Nof air'' for not fair, ''silly-billy-goo-goo'', that is translated in the French book as ''stinky flea'' (le poux qui pue). And her tantrums, more cute than annoying! I can just imagine her going all red in the face like a teapot! ;D
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digigirl02
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Post by digigirl02 on Feb 20, 2007 20:52:25 GMT -5
Yeah Claire is pretty cute. (although she does have a thread already on the client board)
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courtky10
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Post by courtky10 on Jun 12, 2008 16:01:19 GMT -5
I bet the reason Claire acted so babyish was because she was trying to get attention. It was probably pretty hard to get much in a family with eight kids, so she really took advantage of being the youngest.
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Post by Honeybee on Oct 7, 2013 22:43:19 GMT -5
Claire is one of my favorite client. Her silly-billy-goo-goo can be annoying at times.
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Post by wenonah4th on Oct 8, 2013 8:48:18 GMT -5
It did go on a long time, even with the time warp.
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Amalia
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Post by Amalia on Jan 19, 2014 20:37:39 GMT -5
My favorite thing she did was thinking Jessi was a cleaning lady when she first sees her. Such innocence is so refreshing.
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Post by booboobrewer on Jan 19, 2014 23:39:41 GMT -5
Really?
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Amalia
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Post by Amalia on Jan 20, 2014 0:11:47 GMT -5
Um, yes. That's what I just said.
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Post by greer on Jan 20, 2014 6:51:59 GMT -5
Do you mean racism? Even as a seven-year-old, I didn't find that part endearing at all and got that it was supposed to show how Stoneybrook was a racist place and how that affected the worldview of even such positive characters like Claire Pike. She simply has had no exposure to black people except as cleaning ladies, and thus thinks that even an eleven-year-old in school clothes who is her sister's age must be there to clean their house. The opposite of innocent, really.
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Amalia
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Post by Amalia on Jan 20, 2014 15:14:19 GMT -5
To me it was the opposite of racism because her identifying Jessi as a cleaning lady wasn't bred out of her being racist at all because I feel that she was too young to be one and didn't have a racist bone in her body. Whereas, if it was an older person where being a racist might've developed in him or her to a degree because of exposure to it then doing what Claire did might've been bred out of racism. So it's refreshing to me that Claire could make that identification devoid of any racism whereas if it was someone older, there might've been some racism behind it.
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Post by greer on Jan 20, 2014 15:22:11 GMT -5
To me it was the opposite of racism because her identifying Jessi as a cleaning lady wasn't bred out of her being racist at all because I feel that she was too young to be one and didn't have a racist bone in her body. Whereas, if it was an older person where being a racist might've developed in him or her to a degree because of exposure to it then doing what Claire did might've been bred out of racism. So it's refreshing to me that Claire could make that identification devoid of any racism whereas if it was someone older, there might've been some racism behind it. I would take it to mean as those older than her were modeling racist attitudes. Nothing refreshing about it, IMO. I am not saying that the Pikes were out and out racists; just that it's something they hadn't really talked to their children about, if that makes sense. Given the way Stoneybrook is described, with Jessi being the only black kid in the sixth grade of the public school, that's no surprise. I do think, actually, it was a telling moment of what Stoneybrook was like and what moving to Stoneybrook was like for Jessi in a way that we wouldn't probably find in later books.
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Post by scrounge on Jan 20, 2014 15:40:27 GMT -5
I read a study recently that many people of color have started talking to their kids about race by three years old and many white people don't have such a conversation until their kids are 13. So, not having explicitly talked to Claire about race wouldn't make the Pikes racist, it would make them average. The same study also stated "In fact, research clearly shows that children not only recognize race from a very young age, but also develop racial biases by ages three to five that do not necessarily resemble the racial attitudes of adults in their lives." So, assuming that Claire could not possibly have had a racist bone in her body or assuming that the Pikes must have modeled some subtle racism both may not be true.
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Post by greer on Jan 20, 2014 15:48:06 GMT -5
I read a study recently that many people of color have started talking to their kids about race by three years old and many white people don't have such a conversation until their kids are 13. So, not having explicitly talked to Claire about race wouldn't make the Pikes racist, it would make them average. The same study also stated "In fact, research clearly shows that children not only recognize race from a very young age, but also develop racial biases by ages three to five that do not necessarily resemble the racial attitudes of adults in their lives." So, assuming that Claire could not possibly have had a racist bone in her body or assuming that the Pikes must have modeled some subtle racism both may not be true. Right, I absolutely do not think that the Pikes were consciously racist in any way. I read something somewhere recently about how if you should always start with the assumption that you ARE racist, and recognize these things and work on them, rather than just think that if you don't outwardly say things that are racist or discriminate that you're doing fine. So while I don't think that Dee and John are consciously racist, they've set up their five-year-old's world in such a way that when their older daughter brings a black friend home, the five-year-old thinks she is a cleaning lady.
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Amalia
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Post by Amalia on Jan 20, 2014 16:58:21 GMT -5
For the record, I wasn't saying that those that are older were modeling any racist attitudes. I was just saying that they are susceptible to being influenced by exposure to racism whereas Claire couldn't be because she's too young. And what Claire did wasn't bred out of any racism at all and that's what's refreshing about it whereas it might've looked that way to an older person reading it because had it been an older person doing that, it might've been influenced by racism to some degree.
And I didn't really get that Stoneybrook was racist in any way. I only saw Jessi saying it. And her reasonings were a little sketchy because of how subjective they were. I mean, when my family first moved to CA, our neighbors didn't welcome us with gifts and kids my age didn't try to friend us. But that doesn't mean that they were racist.
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