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Post by greer on Jan 10, 2007 13:38:49 GMT -5
Well I know a lot of readers have the theory that Patrick isn't David Michael's father... maybe those cards said, "Hey kid, Richard Spier is your real dad" or something. I have never bought into that theory myself, though.
What bugs me about this book is that Zoey seems like a smart woman, so why is she marrying such a jerk? Do you really think someone is going to be a good father and husband when he abandoned four kids and a wife?
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Post by ktag on Jan 10, 2007 21:44:07 GMT -5
If he did try, I doubt he tried very hard. He'd run into Kristy twice. The first time, he up and left without telling her. The second time he talked to her for about 5 minutes, then went back to watching baseball. He happens upon his daughter, who he never sees, 3000 miles from where she lives and just goes "oops, we're in people's way, see ya later." What is that about?
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Post by greer on Jan 10, 2007 22:15:16 GMT -5
no, in the second instance kristy abandoned him. she was like um i have to go long lost dad BYE.
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Post by ktag on Jan 10, 2007 23:38:08 GMT -5
Okay, you're right, I remembered that wrong. But he still let her go without much of a fight. Can't really blame Kristy for freaking out. Guess she wanted to make a break for it before he did.
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Post by sotypical42483 on Jan 11, 2007 12:03:02 GMT -5
I don't buy into Patrick not being DMs dad either. Zoey did seem like a smart woman and very put together, like she def has her s-hit in order and I have no clue what she's doing with Patrick. She made excuses for him over the whole book. She told Kristy she knows he's childish and immature but was basically like oh well about it. I felt really bad for Kristy and her bros, I think it would be really hard to be there knowing your dad abandoned you but is all ready to start a new family with this other woman.
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Post by msstock87 on Feb 6, 2007 19:36:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed this book more than I thought I would, it was probably my favorite in the Friends Forever series. Sam and Charlie actually had more of a personality in this one and I liked seeing how Kristy, Sam and Charlie interacted with each other. I was so bothered by David Michael being left out though, I agree that something just isn't right there.
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Post by Karen Brewer on Jun 18, 2007 19:58:05 GMT -5
About Sam: I remember in Kristy's portrait that he seemed to blame Elizabeth for Patrick walking out on them so I wasn't too surprised that he was more willing to forgive Patrick than Charlie or Kristy.
However, this book kind of bugged me because it seemed so unsetting. We never find out why Patrick left or Charlie forgiving his father. But, I guess that's how real life is too. I did like Zoey, though. She seemed a bit like Kristy and I think that's why Kristy, Charlie, and Sam were able to take to her so easily.
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Post by icequeen on Oct 20, 2007 4:59:42 GMT -5
I wonder if in Ann's mind she had a specific reason why Patrick up and left. When I heard the "DM not being Patrick's" rumour I got really into it and thought that could be the possible reason. But it seems much too scandulous for the woman who wouldnt move into Watsons mansion before their wedding. So then I heard the possibility that maybe DM was meant to be a "save the marriage" type baby, but Patrick wanted out, so left. And I like that possibilty too.
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Post by aln1982 on Oct 28, 2007 9:11:00 GMT -5
^ I think the reason Patrick took off is he was too immature to handle fatherhood and having a 4th kid just kind of pushed him over the edge instead of the "save the marriage" effect that DM was supposed to have.
I haven't read this book but it sounds intriguing. I might have to break down and read one from the FF series. ;D Does it provide more insight into Kristy and Patrick's relationship? I am interested in that.
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Post by dawnomite on Oct 28, 2007 17:24:22 GMT -5
I just read this for the first time. I really like Zoey a lot and I didn't hate Patrick as much as I thought I would in this one either (not that I think he's awesome now or anything, I just didn't hate him, which is saying something because I have a huge problem with guys abandoning their children). I also liked getting a deeper look at Sam and Charlie (especially charlie). I was kind of impressed at how the whole situation was shown as complicated and there wasn't some quick resolution. It seemed very realistic. One thing I do like about the FF books is that they do seem more like they actually could happen then the BSC books, I like that we get to see a deeper side of the characters (I know this is one reason why a lot of people don't like them though.)
I also loved the descriptions for sausalito and Marin (however brief they were). And I seriously want Zoey and Patricks house, I can picture houses like that in Sausalito right now, their beautiful
And I'm relieved that somewhere in BSC universe engaged people are actually allowed to live in the same house. I guess it's just actually in Stoneybrook that that never happens.
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Post by greer on Oct 28, 2007 17:28:35 GMT -5
i think that it was just in the 80s where it was still risque. i remember that mrs. barrett and franklin took a vacation to sea city together before they were married.
the one thing that bugs me about this book is why would a great woman like zoe want to marry a jerk like patrick? abandoning four kids spells RED FLAG to me.
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Post by wanderingfrog on Oct 28, 2007 18:34:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's impossible that someone who abandoned four kids could afterwards change for the better... but we don't see any evidence that Patrick has changed. Zoey agrees to marry him before he makes any effort to see his children again, and then he only invites three of the four kids to the wedding. I don't see why she'd want to marry him.
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Post by greer on Oct 28, 2007 19:59:01 GMT -5
I kind of got the impression that it was Zoey's idea for the kids to be invited, but I'm not sure if it's supported by the text or not. If Patrick had made a real tangible effort to become a part of the kids' lives I would have bought someone like her would want to marry him. But then again people make terrible decisions when it comes to love all the time...
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2007 16:29:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's impossible that someone who abandoned four kids could afterwards change for the better... but we don't see any evidence that Patrick has changed. Zoey agrees to marry him before he makes any effort to see his children again, and then he only invites three of the four kids to the wedding. I don't see why she'd want to marry him. Chances are, Zoey probably hasn't been given the whole story. Also, if DM is not Patricks ;D then he could've said to Zoey "my wife cheated and has a son that isn't mine! So when I broke up with her, she denied me access to my three other kids so I came to California to escape the painful memories!" |
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Post by greer on Oct 30, 2007 21:52:24 GMT -5
even if he did say all that macca, it's pretty evident from this book that he still has trouble functioning as a proper adult and taking responsibilities like an adult.
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