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Post by sparklymouse on Aug 30, 2011 21:33:16 GMT -5
I think this is just a very odd book and out of place with the rest of the series as a whole. (Normal BSC or FF) I really thought the rest of the FF was going to suck based on this, but they have managed to be much less infuriating.
The more I think about this, the more I feel like a Patrick storyline never should have been attempted at all. It's like he was this urban legend that you found out was true but was also a huge let down. If that makes any sense at all.
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Post by zoar3 on Aug 30, 2011 22:21:16 GMT -5
^I was not a fan of Patrick sneaking back to Stoneybrook to see only Kristy. That, too, me was in a way worse than this because not one word was brought up about his abandonment. I also didn't buy how Kristy randomly managed to find him at the Giants game. Yeah right. Finally, the various ghosties were wishy-washy on how he left. In the beginning it was he literally abandoned the family when Kristy was 6 or 6 1/2. Since that time he managed a few cards and even fewer phone calls. All we were really shown was how Elizabeth pressed the kids into servitude (I'm sorry but she did, especially Charlie) for a while there. I would have loved to see Kristy's description of her mom as being amazingly strong come to life in "real time." The fragmented hints just didn't do for it me. The books tackled some other "serious" issues to varying degrees of success but never for a main, in this case, the founding character. So, yeah, all that said, maybe it would have been better had Patrick been left completely alone.
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Post by wiggir13 on Aug 31, 2011 0:59:14 GMT -5
I really just didn't like it either. I would have said hell no first of all. I feel like the confrontation with Charlie just wasn't enough and really why would he find a lady that would overlook him abandoning his family? I just didn't like that now he has a relationship with some of his kids an invites them for the holidays? You don't just forget the many years that passed
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Post by wiggir13 on Aug 31, 2011 1:00:33 GMT -5
Did not like it either. I don't think I would have let them go in the first place. What a crazy person that lady he was marrying was too. How do you want to have a family with a guy who abandoned his???
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Post by greer on Sept 1, 2011 1:17:28 GMT -5
Did not like it either. I don't think I would have let them go in the first place. What a crazy person that lady he was marrying was too. How do you want to have a family with a guy who abandoned his??? Lots of women date/marry men with less-than-stellar pasts, thinking they can "change" them, that it will be different, etc. It just seemed like Zoey was self-actualized so it was weird that she would make that kind of mistake. |
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Post by Honeybee on Feb 24, 2012 3:55:25 GMT -5
first time reading Friends forever. I enjoy it. It's different from the regular BSC books. I didn't like Patrick at all. Zoey, seems really nice person. David Michael, being left out. Sounds like Elizabeth Thomas/Brewster might had affair with other man. *gasps* That's what I was thinking. The way describe the CA house. sounded nice.
Hopefully I can rent some more, FF books.
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Post by virgoscorpio on Feb 24, 2012 19:39:08 GMT -5
Lots of women date/marry men with less-than-stellar pasts, thinking they can "change" them, that it will be different, etc. It just seemed like Zoey was self-actualized so it was weird that she would make that kind of mistake. Amen, greer. I know lots of women like that. |
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Post by wanderingfrog on Feb 24, 2012 22:30:53 GMT -5
The most baffling thing about this book is why Zoey is with Patrick, because he doesn't seem to have changed a bit and she deserves someone so much better than him. Okay, maybe he's changed an infinitesimal bit, since he bothered inviting three (of his FOUR!) children to his wedding, but still, he hasn't changed much, and Zoey doesn't seem like someone who would put up with him, yet she does.
I like the part where Kristy realizes that Patrick is never going to be the father that she wants him to be, but he's the (biological) father that she's got, so she'd better be able to deal with that. It's very mature, but also very sad. I don't remember if it's Kristy who's saying this or one of her brothers.
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Post by celaeno on Feb 24, 2012 23:11:29 GMT -5
Agree with everything that's been said - Zoey came across as self-aware, realistic, and grounded, which didn't seem to mesh with the fact that she wanted to settle down - and have a family with - someone like Patrick.
So what would you have rather seen - a book where the same ol' Patrick is with a woman who is totally convinced that she can change him, or a book where we get someone with a good head on her shoulders like Zoey who is with a Patrick who seems to have genuinely changed for the better?
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Post by wanderingfrog on Feb 24, 2012 23:59:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure which I'd rather see, but unfortunately, I think the first would be more realistic.  |
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Post by greer on Feb 25, 2012 4:25:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's common for men to change their ways and it didn't seem to me like Patrick had.
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Post by oldhickory on Feb 26, 2012 16:11:23 GMT -5
So what would you have rather seen - a book where the same ol' Patrick is with a woman who is totally convinced that she can change him, or a book where we get someone with a good head on her shoulders like Zoey who is with a Patrick who seems to have genuinely changed for the better? i would rather see the same patrick who hasn't changed a bit. if he's grown up that means he COULD have been a good dad to kristy and just wasn't. if he hasn't changed that means kristy's life was better without him all along. it's sad to look at it that way but for kristy's sake that's what i want. do you guys watch HIMYM? barney has the same sort of conversation with his father too. |
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Post by wanderingfrog on Feb 27, 2012 21:31:20 GMT -5
I don't think it's common for men to change their ways and it didn't seem to me like Patrick had. Oh, I don't think it's common for anyone to change their ways. (Possible, but not common.) But I think it's pretty common for people to think they can change other people when they can't. |
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Post by celaeno on Feb 27, 2012 22:05:39 GMT -5
I read this book last summer after finding it in a thrift store (it's only the second FF book I've read; the other was Graduation Day which I got from the library), and while reading it, in my head I visualized Patrick looking like a man I work with - no particular reason, I just thought they were physically probably a good match. Then Patrick turned out to be kinda frightening in the book, like when Kristy could sense anger brewing beneath his surface when he didn't get his way - I got a kinda physically abusive vibe from him. Shortly after reading the book, I had this horrible and vivid dream involving this coworker, all thanks to the vibes I got from this book, I think. Now it's weird seeing him at work, because I get such horrible vibes seeing him!  |
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Post by booboobrewer on Mar 2, 2013 21:02:18 GMT -5
People make career shifts like that all the time. He started taking cooking classes after writing an article about an athlete who did the same thing, didn't seem too strange to me. I loved that too, I lived in that area for a year, it's definitely a very pretty place to live. Yeah, he definitely has a short fuse. Very different from Watson the gentle balding gardener  I really liked this book and how emotional it was. |
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I really liked this book and how emotional it was.