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Post by cnj on May 13, 2021 21:54:43 GMT -5
I like Mary Anne and Logan's relationship but also thought the breakups were pretty well done . Me too...I'm glad the books didn't hook Mary Anne up with a new boyfriend too soon. There's far more to teen girlhood than just dating and/or having a boyfriend.
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Post by chirpchirp on May 14, 2021 17:55:54 GMT -5
When do you think they should've broken up? I would have liked them to stay broken up back in book 41 I could see that. I think Logan was usually a great boyfriend but he was awful (and I think out-of-character) in that book!
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Post by booboobrewer on May 14, 2021 22:05:40 GMT -5
I remember being like, ten years old and sneaking my sister’s copy of #41 when she wasn’t around. I thought Mary Anne’s boyfriend troubles were SO adult.
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Post by cnj on May 15, 2021 0:18:34 GMT -5
I think Logan was usually a great boyfriend but he was awful - and I think out-of-character - in that book! He was in the beginning, but as the books went on, we saw more of his flaws and why he and Mary Anne weren't good for each other. I remember being like, ten years old and sneaking my sister's copy of #41 when she wasn't around. I thought Mary Anne's boyfriend troubles were SO adult. It did seem so...they needed to break up...middle school is a bit too young to be going "steady." And I'm glad after Mary Anne and Logan broke up for good, they didn't hook Mary Anne up with another boyfriend. Too many other book series make the mistake of doing that. In the Sweet Valley High series, Liz is usually going steady with Todd, but they break up a few times and Liz is always immediately hooked up with another boyfriend. And in the middle school Fabulous Five series, when Jana and Randy temporarily break up, Jana is immediately dating other boys.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on May 15, 2021 18:17:05 GMT -5
I would have liked them to stay broken up back in book 41 I could see that. I think Logan was usually a great boyfriend but he was awful (and I think out-of-character) in that book! I feel like he hasn’t been the same character since his introduction book.
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Post by anzuhana on May 15, 2021 22:26:10 GMT -5
I could see that. I think Logan was usually a great boyfriend but he was awful (and I think out-of-character) in that book! I feel like he hasn’t been the same character since his introduction book. When do you feel his character changed?
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Post by cnj on May 16, 2021 2:03:21 GMT -5
I feel like he hasn’t been the same character since his introduction book. When do you feel his character changed? It wasn't just one book...he changed gradually over the course of the series. It probably was something in his family, which wasn't very progressive. Bit by bit, Logan and Mary Anne slowly grew apart especially as their core values took different paths.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on May 16, 2021 6:26:40 GMT -5
I feel like he hasn’t been the same character since his introduction book. When do you feel his character changed? Probably around book 25ish? I know in that book he was under stress but I think the ghosties saw that and decided it was his main personality.
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Post by cnj on May 16, 2021 6:42:42 GMT -5
When do you feel his character changed? Probably around book 25ish? I know in that book he was under stress but I think the ghosties saw that and decided it was his main personality. It wasn't just one book...I think he subtly changed throughout the series. Remember also that his dad was rather authoritarian and the Bruno parents were more conservative than most of the other Stoneybrook parents. Mary Anne notes this especially in Mary Anne to the Rescue when she can't believe that Lyman made that snap, unilateral decision to send Logan to boarding school without giving either Logan or even Logan's mum any say. The way Logan was being raised may have played a factor in he and Mary Anne eventually drifting apart and breaking up. Too many incompatible values and growing differences.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Jun 28, 2021 19:09:48 GMT -5
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I like some of the books in this series and there's a few plots that I did enjoy. Like I like Maureen opening her own store, Mallory becoming her own person away from her family, Stacey's friendship with Rachel, learning about Erica, and Mary Anne's rebellious stage she started. I just wish the Claudia/Stacey fight didn't really last that long, I wouldn't have minded one or two books but the way they stretched it was too far.
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Post by anzuhana on Jun 28, 2021 19:23:35 GMT -5
^ I also like most of the books. The only one that I can say that I don't like is Stacey vs. Claudia.
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Post by cnj on Jun 28, 2021 19:45:59 GMT -5
I just wish the Claudia/Stacey fight didn't really last that long, I wouldn't have minded one or two books but the way they stretched it was too far. Agreed a zillion percent! Way, way too long in addition to being a ridiculous plotline! It read more like a Sweet Valley or Fabulous Five plotline the way they carried on with it. None of the BSC members are the sort to carry grudges on for long, especially over a guy. I also like most of the books. The only one that I can say that I don't like is Stacey vs. Claudia. Agreed a zillion percent. I don't include that in my fanfiction timeline. It was just too silly and too out of character. And I wish Abby and Jessi had stayed in the club at least as associate members, if not full members. That stated, I also liked some of the Friends Forever books. I was glad that Mary Anne and Logan finally broke up...I always had the feeling that those two wouldn't last. And I've always thought that eighth grade was a bit too young to be pairing up and seriously dating. When I was growing up, I never knew of anyone who dated seriously or had boyfriends until after I started high school, which was ninth grade.
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Post by anzuhana on Jun 28, 2021 19:52:12 GMT -5
^ Any favorite Friends Forever? Mine's Graduation Day. The biggest complaint I have (right now. I have to reread the book) about that book is Claudia failing her science exam and having to go to summer school. I think she couldn't walk down in the graduation ceremony because of that.
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Post by sparklymouse on Jun 28, 2021 20:12:33 GMT -5
^I think 8th grade graduations are rather stupid anyway. OMG I can't walk the stage, good thing I'll see these people next year, and the year after that, and... Lol.
I think at my high school if someone was *that close* to graduation status then they were allowed to walk the stage but did not receive a diploma until they finished the credit that they needed. I didn't really pay attention to the rules. I was like "Bye peeps. See ya never!"
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Post by cnj on Jun 28, 2021 20:37:08 GMT -5
Any favorite Friends Forever? Mine's Graduation Day. The biggest complaint I have - right now. I have to reread the book - about that book is Claudia failing her science exam and having to go to summer school. I think she couldn't walk down in the graduation ceremony because of that. I think she did finally pass and was able to join her friends walking down the aisle. I think I didn't have any one favorite...maybe Welcome Home, Mary Anne. I think 8th grade graduations are rather stupid anyway. To many people, they're not "stupid." Eighth grade for most people is the end of middle school. I know it was for me, although eighth grade graduations were not as huge as twelfth-grade graduations were. OMG, I can't walk the stage, good thing I'll see these people next year, and the year after that, and...LOL. Actually, when I graduated from eighth grade and went on to high school, many of my classmates were not the same as in middle school. Ninth grade in my school and in the school systems of most people I know, brought on a slew of new classmates, especially since high schools tend to be much larger than middle schools and grammar schools. I think at my high school if someone was *that close* to graduation status then they were allowed to walk the stage but did not receive a diploma until they finished the credit that they needed. I didn't really pay attention to the rules. I've heard of some schools that do that, which is good...protects students' dignity. I think not many grammar, middle or high school graduates want to be excluded from the entire graduation event, especially if all their classmates are graduating. I was like "Bye, peeps. See ya never!" 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 A friend of mine was like that when she graduated from eighth grade, then high school, then university.
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