Post by sotypical42483 on Aug 28, 2007 12:44:16 GMT -5
CA Diaries starts at the beginning of 8th grade again, though, right? In Dawn #1 they are starting school and getting moved to the high school. So I always assumed it was starting at the same time as the FF series, but after Dawn moves to CA, but before FF, is there another re-starting of 8th grade in the BSC series? If so, I'd assume that is when CA Diaries starts.
Post by fluffycakes on Aug 28, 2007 14:18:50 GMT -5
Gah. The BSC timeline hurts my brain sometimes.
There's got to be at least one more re-starting of grade 8 before FF starts. In Stacey's Secret Friend (#111, I think), it's September again, and of course Dawn has already permanently moved back to California. There's also Aloha Baby-Sitters and European Vacation, both of which take place over summer after Dawn's moved back. Personally I always assumed that the CD books take place in the same year that the BSC breaks-up and gets back together, Claudia is sent back to grade seven, etc. That's just me, though.
Post by booboobrewer on Sept 16, 2007 1:10:43 GMT -5
i liked her as a kid too. but now? too anal, annoying crusader.
and did AMM love the name Read or what? i remember one of staceys cool NY friends was a Read too. and what kind of name is Read? no offense to anyone
Read's her sister's middle name (and father's, too). When I found that out I googled her out of curiosity and this came up. Apparently she is/was a children's author as well as Woody Allen's personal assistant for some time. Her husband co-wrote a screenplay with him.
On The Daily Show tonight, there was a story about schools banning cupcakes, and the "public health advocate" was this woman with long blonde hair, and I immediately thought, "OMG, that's totally future-Dawn!" She kept saying things like "giving your child a cupcake is child abuse!" and "Cupcakes are just like anti-freeze; they are both toxic, they both are sweet, but one kills you right away and one takes longer!" and I could not stop laughing.
^ ;D People who go on like that make anyone with a cause look insane a lot of times. They actually do more harm, I think in a lot of cases, than good. Sometimes you have to learn to give just a little bit or at least learn to work with others and stop shouting and saying you're right with your extreme ideas for long enough to at least hear someone else's side. That's what I don't like about Dawn now when I read the books. She is "passionate" but it just makes her sound like a fanatic in a lot of situations and doesn't get much accomplished except alienating people and making them more defensive.
Dawn was probably in my bottom 3 BSC members, although she did have her moments...I thought it was great how she was ready to break into a locker to help Claud in Claudia and the Middle School Mystery.
Any how, when it comes to Dawn and her food -- at what point does she become big on the health food? In Dawn and the Impossible Three, she definitely joins the gang when they pig out on the junk food. When I was a kid, I always thought Dawn would be so much cooler if she kept eating some candy or cookies...lol
^ I also liked Dawn in Middle School Mystery with the locker. ;D I liked her more in the early books, too, and Impossible Three is one of my favorites. I think the health food thing got more extreme as her personality did - maybe when she moved back to CA (or when the ghost writers took over ;D but I actually think it was the move)
Post by Crystal Clair on Nov 5, 2007 19:46:18 GMT -5
In case you didn't know, I apparently had a girl-crush on Dawn as a child.
I kinda did too
Okay, I spent like ten minutes writing this post and it's uh... huge. 6 paragraphs, but some are smaller than others
------------ In the earlier books, I loved Dawn, but the love sometimes turned into unsure liking around the 50+ books. Then by the time I found out Dawn had left (and very shortly after, left the club for good) I had mixed emotions. Not only was my favorite member of the club gone for good... but I couldn't understand why she left Connecticut for California. I kept thinking it was California and the warm weather. But then I read Dawn's Big Move on the internet today and I realized....... Dawn missed her family mostly, it was Jeff and her father she missed. The warm weather and everything else were just..... side dishes.
Unfortunately, through my life, I have been fortunate and lived with a family that cant be compared to the BSC's family. I've always lived in the same town and my parents never fought. Our family was kinda disfuctional though. Despite my dad's steady jobs and us being on the wealthier side of the middle class and our big house in a quiet area just the perfect distance from New York City (30 minute car ride). Ann never wrote about a family that was disfuctional. The closest to that were the Kishis and the Kilbournes.
As for myself, I see my personality matches no single member of the BSC, more like a combination of 3 : Dawn, Mallory and Claudia. With Dawn, I just feel like I'm her, I dont know why. The Californian stuff never really came into act until I began reading her California centric books. I didn't really like those books to be honest, even though I tried constantly to like them.
With Mallory, I love reading and writing and drawing and find myself as a geek. However, unlike Mallory, I have pride in being a geek. And unlike her, my parents let me wear anything I want, but my style is overall more conservative.
With Claudia, I am a dedicated artist. I love candy (mostly just chocolate and any pastry related sweet and even gummy stuff, but the powery fruity candy like Smarties I just dislike because they leave sores on my tongue). I'm also a student who has ADD, and only tries in something of her interest. However, I'm a very good student (passed all my regents and only failed 2-3 times in high school so far) and I'm pretty stiff when it comes to spelling and I dont hate school.
I have little traits of other members too Jessi: I like to dance and I feel a bit paranoid about myself Mary Anne: I'm shy and sensitive sometimes. Kristy: I love sports, animals and excitement Stacey: I like fashion and boys, but I'm not boy-crazy...... (to be honest, I'm anime boy/girl crazy) Abby: ....... same for Kristy with the sports
times like this, I wish Ann had a character who was like me
I must note that it wasn't the vegetarian hippie thing I liked about Dawn. It was something most noticably in the first books, best seen in #5 and #9.
also, I've ever read the California Diaries. I didn't even know they existed till I came on the internet O.O
Dawn was cool, man, but something happened along the line...
Post by booboobrewer on Jun 14, 2008 21:07:10 GMT -5
I was rereading Baby-sitters' Haunted House. I think they should have stopped calling Dawn "laid-back" in her chapter 2 descriptions and gone with "sneaky" ;D She should have had a Harriet the Spy day with Mallory.
In one part, Claudia and Dawn go up to the fourth floor to check out one of the rooms:
"I wish Lydia's room weren't locked," Dawn whispered to Claudia.
"We could peek through the keyhole," Claud said.
Dawn volunteered to do the peeking.
Later, when they go into the Coopers' room:
(Kristy): As I turned Georgio's key in the lock I told Dawn, "I hate sneaking around like this."
"I love it," Dawn confessed. "And they deserve it!"
No doubt they do, but this makes me laugh, because this was written not long after Stacey vs. the BSC, the book where Dawn spends an evening at Pizza Express spying on Stacey from behind a jukebox. Maybe Jeanne Betancourt kept that in mind while writing this. If so, that's awesome.