^ That's my favorite Pete book, too. I really felt for him in Ex-Best Friend, though. Reminded me of when a friend of mine wore tennis shoes with a suit (he didn't have any other shoes) and kids were really mean and made fun of him. I felt so awful for him as it was humiliating and at an awards ceremony so kind of took away from the good feeling he should have had at getting his awards. Poor guy. I was glad the BSC were so nice to Pete in Ex-Best Friend.
It was sad with my friend. He acted like he didn't hear them or know but I know he had to. They were being really obnoxious and singing "Darkwing Duck" quite loudly. I'm glad that no one ganged up on Pete in the book but Laine's behavior reminds me of the situation with my friend and I think that's one thing that contributes to my strong Laine-hate. Were Pete and Logan friends in other books, too?
^ I have no idea what the connection was because they were just nice tennis shoes. I think it was just something mean to say. I didn't watch Darkwing, either, except once or twice so never quite got the connection....
It's crazy how different your opinions change in 3 years - I think greer mentioned this earlier about now liking guys with longer hair, but preferring them with short 4 years ago. Well, when I first got involved with the boards I was all for Mary Anne and Logan, but now...I just don't see them together. I really don't like Logan's character much - although I still feel that the ghostwriters changed him from what he was to someone he wasn't - and I don't think he is good for Mary Anne. I think he was just over the top in a lot he did (like horse drawn carriage - if MA didn't like the surprise party, I don't know how she would have liked all the attention on her as the carriage takes them to her house). Oh well. I'm glad they didn't stay together.
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Characters at stoneybrook_rpg on livejournal: Alan Gray Mary Anne Spier Logan Bruno Pete Black
Characters at stoneybrook_air: Alan Janson Gray Mary Anne Spier - early on Pete Kayden Black - early on Penny Mae Weller
When I was younger, I liked the couple but now that I'm older, I'm glad that Mary Anne dumped Logan for good in Friends Forever. Mary Anne would've continued been unhappy with Logan. Even if he stopped smothering her for a while, I'm sure that after a while, he would've resumed smothering her.
I liked them when I was younger too, but now no way. I however feel like Logan should have broken up with her a hell of a long time before she ditched him. I think she treated him like garbage. He did all these nice things and she got pissed but never told him why. How the heck was he to know he was smothering her when she acted as though things were fine. He should have figured out that she was clearly in love with Dawn anyway!
But I also think Logan did not have boundaries with Mary Anne and if he knew her well like he should have by the time Mary Anne vs. Logan came around, he wouldn't just be showing up and forcing her to go out on a cold day, and doing things like choosing movies and meals for her without letting her have a say in things. I know now guys like to feel like they are doing something and validated, so there could have been more of a balance of that, but he was really overdoing it and being overbearing. And though the valentine's dinner sounded like it was done with good intentions, I can see why mary anne felt trapped at times, the whole relationship was taking away from other aspects of her life like me time, family and school.
Post by starrynight on Nov 17, 2012 15:22:49 GMT -5
^ I think I understand Mary Anne's need for me time away from Logan better now that I'm older. I'm fairly introverted, and I need more time alone than the average person. If I were dating someone who insisted that we go out ALL THE TIME, whether I wanted to or not, we wouldn't be dating long.
Thank you for the laugh Wiggirl, I love what you said. I also completely agree with both Starrynight and Oldhickory. How did either of them afford constant movies and meals out? I also will never understand how most any of the BSC members got much free or alone time let alone many dating chances. All they did was go to school or baby-sit.
The thing is, outside of "MA vs. Logan" was Logan ever controlling or constantly in MA's space wanting to do something? I don't think he was. If anything, he catered to MA's schedule a lot of the time. I DO think in this book he came across as very pushy. I was/am fairly quiet and would not have cared for that type of guy at all. However, at least by what MA doesn't tell us in this book, she never confided in Logan what she was going through. She never shared her feelings with anyone except as we found out in "Memory Garden," a Guidance Counselor and Dr. Reese. Yes, he most definitely should have asked, he also could have simply reminded her as I've said before, that he cared and was there if she wanted to talk. Maybe this was the turning point of their relationship from sweet friendship--semi romantic too this book's un-healthy descriptions to later carriages. IMO, there really was no need for this book at all due to zero back-story or follow-up (other than chapter 2 "Logan used to decide everything, we talked, cooled off, and everything now is better than ever." Sigh, so many possibilities, so little later character development!