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Post by Honeybee on Apr 12, 2014 1:40:14 GMT -5
Their okay couple. Sometimes, Logan is a jerk.
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Post by mistrali on May 4, 2014 20:21:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the reason I dislike MA/Logan is that they went on for so *long* and they were portrayed as this True Luv Forever thing. I mean, MA having a boyfriend was made into a character trait, which is never good. That's what gets to me. Let your characters date for however long, but for God's sake don't begin to define them by it. If it'd been treated as a subplot thing and not dragged on like MA and L were an old married couple, or if we'd had character development and actual non-egg-related conversations so we could see how their relationship was changing and how much they meant to each other, I wouldn't have minded it. But the series became so laboured later on that the writing lost all meaning. I liked early series!MA, so I was fine with her and Logan then, but down with Flanderisation, srsly.
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Post by sarish on May 4, 2014 20:57:07 GMT -5
I think itv would have been more interesting to read about Mary Anne and Logan having different partners than each other when they did the 'raise an egg' project.
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Post by mistrali on May 5, 2014 9:43:08 GMT -5
I felt the egg project was contrived from the start, tbh. It's such a primary school thing to do, you know, adopting eggs. They should've been given either those fake crying dolls or, if they weren't around in the eighties, something like a budget for a month's shopping. That would've been more realistic for thirteen-year-olds, because really, who in Stoneybrook or the BSC would worry about pregnancy at thirteen, especially in the eighties/early nineties? Very few people IMO.
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Post by greer on May 5, 2014 10:36:40 GMT -5
I felt the egg project was contrived from the start, tbh. It's such a primary school thing to do, you know, adopting eggs. They should've been given either those fake crying dolls or, if they weren't around in the eighties, something like a budget for a month's shopping. That would've been more realistic for thirteen-year-olds, because really, who in Stoneybrook or the BSC would worry about pregnancy at thirteen, especially in the eighties/early nineties? Very few people IMO. The Egg Project was in other books/TV shows from this time period. The point of these kinds of experiences is to to get kids thinking about them BEFORE they're sexually active. I don't see what eighties/early 90s has to do with it--teen pregnancy is nothing new, and in fact is down now for the first time in decades. I have siblings that are in middle school now, and I don't think kids are any more worldly now than in the 90s and, if anything, are even more sheltered.
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Post by mistrali on May 5, 2014 10:49:30 GMT -5
I felt the egg project was contrived from the start, tbh. It's such a primary school thing to do, you know, adopting eggs. They should've been given either those fake crying dolls or, if they weren't around in the eighties, something like a budget for a month's shopping. That would've been more realistic for thirteen-year-olds, because really, who in Stoneybrook or the BSC would worry about pregnancy at thirteen, especially in the eighties/early nineties? Very few people IMO. The Egg Project was in other books/TV shows from this time period. The point of these kinds of experiences is to to get kids thinking about them BEFORE they're sexually active. I don't see what eighties/early 90s has to do with it--teen pregnancy is nothing new, and in fact is down now for the first time in decades. I have siblings that are in middle school now, and I don't think kids are any more worldly now than in the 90s and, if anything, are even more sheltered. EDIT: To clarify my position a little, I think the main reason this seems silly to me is that I grew up with four years of solid sex education in PE. I can understand how a few kids would be put off the idea of having sex because they might have a baby, but the two don't seem to add up for me. Would a fifteen-year-old's first thought when about to have sex really be, "Oh, hang on. Remember how bad it was to look after that egg in that one week during PE in Year 8? We shouldn't have sex because we might have a baby"? Wouldn't "Hey, we need a condom" be both more likely and useful? / edit. Yes, but I suspect that also has to do with good sex education from Year 6 onwards and availability of contraception (in developed countries, anyway) for both boys and girls. I can't speak for the efficacy of the egg project without a bit of further googling (will do that after I finish typing this, since I'm on my phone), but I don't know that actual health lessons and something more practical won't help as much as, if not more than, having to look after an egg for a week. I think part of the problem with this for me is that I keep imagining the girls as older than they are. Real thirteen-year-olds might grumble and wonder what their PE teacher was thinking, but they'd go along with it. These girls are dating, which throws me right off because to my mind, if these kids aren't mature enough to be dating they're not mature enough to be thinking about things like buying an apartment and looking after a child. I know that there are teen pregnancies at eleven to fourteen, but I feel like they'd be a minority in Stoneybrook, for some reason.
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Post by greer on May 5, 2014 11:07:53 GMT -5
My sister is in eighth grade and going by her Instagram, she has a new boyfriend every week. Some girls who she is no longer friends with are going very far with boys, and this is at wealthy private schools. So I can see non-BSC people doing... things at SMS. Sex ed also varies from country to country, and excellent sex ed from sixth grade onwards is by no means standard in the US. The egg thing was just a popular project at the time, and eggs were used because they could break easily. I remember my neighbor had to do it with a sack of flour. I don't know when the crying babies came out, though. I know they did the Egg thing in Girl Talk. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EggSitting
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Post by claudiaslastringding on May 8, 2014 11:38:07 GMT -5
I felt the egg project was contrived from the start, tbh. It's such a primary school thing to do, you know, adopting eggs. They should've been given either those fake crying dolls or, if they weren't around in the eighties, something like a budget for a month's shopping. That would've been more realistic for thirteen-year-olds, because really, who in Stoneybrook or the BSC would worry about pregnancy at thirteen, especially in the eighties/early nineties? Very few people IMO. I remember reading about the egg project in this book when I was about 10 and dismissing it as ridiculous even then. Interestingly enough, I had to do the egg project myself when I was in Year 8 as well, which was only in 2009. By then I'm quite sure we could have at least been given a fake doll thing. Thankfully I didn't have to do it with a partner, we all just had to have a random egg each with us individually, even the guys. I'm fairly sure I smashed two eggs in the first day though, so I was definitely not like Mary Anne and Logan, which I have to say I am actually glad about.
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Post by greer on May 8, 2014 13:13:39 GMT -5
This was just posted about on the BSC page on Facebook
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Post by sarish on May 8, 2014 19:32:49 GMT -5
Greer, I was coming here to post the same thing. How funny!
On a side note from what I came here to post, I had one of those fake baby's about ten years ago. I named him William and one of the little girls I babysat wanted to hear it cry so much she pushed his head back. We had to install the car seat and it was over a long weekend so Friday to Tuesday. Didn't make me want a baby any less even though it did cry randomly through the night.
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Post by greer on May 8, 2014 20:00:07 GMT -5
Greer, I was coming here to post the same thing. How funny! On a side note from what I came here to post, I had one of those fake baby's about ten years ago. I named him William and one of the little girls I babysat wanted to hear it cry so much she pushed his head back. We had to install the car seat and it was over a long weekend so Friday to Tuesday. Didn't make me want a baby any less even though it did cry randomly through the night. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards They gave you car seats for a fake baby? Expensive!
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Post by sarish on May 8, 2014 20:17:29 GMT -5
No kidding! Yes, if we had a car to drive we had to take a carseat. I'm sure they were expired ones that people donated.
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Post by mistrali on May 9, 2014 18:29:13 GMT -5
I felt the egg project was contrived from the start, tbh. It's such a primary school thing to do, you know, adopting eggs. They should've been given either those fake crying dolls or, if they weren't around in the eighties, something like a budget for a month's shopping. That would've been more realistic for thirteen-year-olds, because really, who in Stoneybrook or the BSC would worry about pregnancy at thirteen, especially in the eighties/early nineties? Very few people IMO. I remember reading about the egg project in this book when I was about 10 and dismissing it as ridiculous even then. Interestingly enough, I had to do the egg project myself when I was in Year 8 as well, which was only in 2009. By then I'm quite sure we could have at least been given a fake doll thing. Thankfully I didn't have to do it with a partner, we all just had to have a random egg each with us individually, even the guys. I'm fairly sure I smashed two eggs in the first day though, so I was definitely not like Mary Anne and Logan, which I have to say I am actually glad about. *nods* I think the other reason I think this is ridiculous is that I actually did the egg thing in Year 4. It was pretty much what you said, carrying around an egg for a whole day and naming it and everything. But that was for fun, not for PE. I was a little goody-two-shoes and took care of my eggs properly, but I recall forgetting to take them out of my bag! That wasn't pleasant!
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Post by greer on May 9, 2014 18:32:00 GMT -5
Haha, what was the point of having fourth graders do the egg project? I would not have been responsible at that age and would have certainly broken mine immediately
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Post by mistrali on May 9, 2014 20:51:17 GMT -5
I think it was, like, to help kids become more responsible or something, idk. Plenty of kids broke theirs, I remember.
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