My friends do the same exact thing, saying they are sorry for eating meat in front of me. Has Society began to think eating meat in front of a vegetarian is some sort of sin? Its funny though, that DAwn reacts badly to any "unhealthy food" no matter what. She did it infront of kids too, which not only is uncalled for, but just obnoixous. I like Dawn, but this part of her always bugged me.
My friends do the same exact thing, saying they are sorry for eating meat in front of me. Has Society began to think eating meat in front of a vegetarian is some sort of sin?
^ Well, it's considered a sin whenever I eat blood in front of my Christian friend. He's into the whole dietary dictate of no blood nor partaking of any animal that had been strangled (of which is hilarious to me).
What I don't like about Dawn's vegetarianism is how she makes everyone eat healthy food. I think she should have tried new foods without a boy being involved, like in New York, New York where she tried some candy because of Richie.
Most of the food Dawn eats in the series sounds really good to me, LOL. I'm not a vegetarian, but I am from California... I do have quite a few vegetarian (and even a few vegan) friends/acquaintances, but not as many as Dawn seems to have! Anyway, I get the impression that NorCal natives are more eco-conscious than SoCal natives on the whole... maybe just because we have redwood trees and stuff and LA is bigger than SF, LOL.
The one that always got me was how Dawn was supposed to be so eco-conscious and at the beginning of the series (in #4 or 5), when Mary Anne first comes over to her house, she explains that she likes her room nice and bright and has about 12 100-watt bulb lamps in her room. Definitely NOT eco-friendly right there.
I'm a "Dawn" in real life when it comes to the environment, my friends say. Hahaha
I agree with the comments that Dawn would NOT be a stoner, because she wouldn't want to poison her body with drugs. I eat plenty of sugar and processed foods (I would love to have the willpower to stop) but I would never smoke ANYTHING because I really value my lungs. I figure Dawn would be the same way.
I love early series Dawn. She reminds me of Claudia in that she knows exactly who she is; she's got this energy and a head on her shoulders. Not that the others don't, but I feel like she and Claud really embrace being unique(well, Dawn is among her BSC friends, if not the Cali ones).
In later books the ghosties make way too big a deal of making her food sound weird and ~alternative~, like that cheeseless hummus pizza someone described upthread. While I appreciate that it might've been hard to get healthier food in the 90s, why bother with pizza if it's just hummus and vegies on bread? That doesn't sound to me like something most vegans would necessarily eat. But it does sound more interesting to a 10-year-old kid than 'a salad sandwich'.
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Post by thejunkbucket on Sept 19, 2015 9:23:30 GMT -5
As a vegetarian myself, I too found it annoying how inconsistent they were with Dawn's so-called vegetarianism. Yes, I realize that there are various types of vegetarians. For example, 'pescetarians' eat fish, but no poultry nor red meat, and 'pollotarians' eat poultry but no fish nor red meat. But Dawn ate chicken (as in this Super Special) and fish (as in the Island Adventure SS), and I recently re-read the Summer Camp SS where she 'choked down a hot dog.' Her reasoning was, it was either that or starve to death. Yeah, after one day of being lost in the woods, where she could've foraged for food. After all, Stacey mentioned in one of her chapters that Dawn had wilderness survival training.
Anyway, I think she would've been better off labeled as a 'flexitarian,' which refers to someone whose diet is one that is plant-based with the occasional inclusion of meat products. Personally, I roll my eyes at flexitarians. Either be a vegetarian or not. You can't have your cake and eat it, too -- or in this case, your meat and eat it, too. Well, you can eat whatever you want, but don't call yourself a "vegetarian." *end rant*
Post by stolenbooks on Oct 19, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -5
I didn't pick up on it until Dawn's book. The chapter where her and Sunny were shopping and the power went out. Afterwards, they ate at the foodcourt and the two "vegetarian" families got chicken tacos...
Post by stolenbooks on Oct 19, 2015 11:55:47 GMT -5
^I love it too.
You know, I think it's funny how Sunny went opposite of Dawn. While it's clear she loves health food, her family sure has changed since that chapter!
My all time favorite Dawn meal was in Dawn and Whitney, Friends Forever: endive salad, asparagus, 3 cheese mac and cheese and raspberry crisp. YUM! The picnic in that book too. To me, it proved not everything had to be something her friends wouldn't have liked. I'm sure the gang would've loved the mac and cheese and raspberry crisp. Even if they don't like the veggies (Stacey might though).
Post by LadyDruscilla on Nov 18, 2015 11:31:11 GMT -5
Well some vegetarians do like to splurge, ordinarily enough.. but I digress.. My main issue is not Dawn's vegetarianism but the way she is so "in your face" about it..like she feels all flexitarians/omnivores should die..I have given up omnivorism a few years ago but I would NEVER say some of the stuff she says..I can enjoy meals with omnivores but they must know how to act..I wouldn't pretend to throw up as I know I don't want to hear them complaining about how terrible my food is when I am not forcing them to eat any. They eat what they like and I eat what I like, every one is happy. I may offer some of my food to someone who is curious and always wanted to try it but that's as far as I go. Anyway one of my reasons for "going green" is basically because I felt it would be a perfect diet for those who want to be 100% health conscious..and people do it for weight lost I know. But I am fully aware of the fact that animals being used for food is nothing new and has been happening since the beginning of time..in fact during the B.C days some people who existed back then were provided with animals to eat from our Creator.
I think she would've been better off labeled as a 'flexitarian,' which refers to someone whose diet is one that is plant-based with the occasional inclusion of meat products. Personally, I roll my eyes at flexitarians. Either be a vegetarian or not. You can't have your cake and eat it, too -- or in this case, your meat and eat it, too. Well, you can eat whatever you want, but don't call yourself a "vegetarian." *end rant*
I've never heard that word but I like it! I do find flexitarianism a little silly, but I also think each meal that someone gives up meat helps the cause. I would rather someone be a flexitarian than meat-eater.
I am a moral vegetarian. I don't eat meat because I don't want animals to die for me when I can be perfectly unhungry on a plant-based diet. My husband eats meat but we only buy meat from the local organic farmer's market, which has the added benefit of being so expensive that he has cut back on his meat eating significantly. So it's entirely possible to 1) live with someone who eats different food without saying "ew" and making faces, and 2) change people's eating habits without being a jerk. I personally feel like eating habits are completely taboo and I would never comment on anybody eating anything. Even when I was Dawn's age (at my peak levels of attitude) I didn't comment on people's food. There's just no way to do it without being insulting. I think it's wonderful that vegetarianism got some attention through the series, but Dawn makes such a poor spokesman that I wonder how much good it really did.
Post by merrymelody on Jun 9, 2020 14:16:49 GMT -5
Dawn's an odd duck.
Like in California Diaries, she's repelled by smoking (makes perfect sense, her second mom has long cancer, plus she's a health freak) but she's very casual about her friend drinking to the level of near alcohol poisoning (she worries they'll get in trouble, but not about the health implications).
Then they all go out again, and she's vaguely like 'I wish the designated driver wouldn't do shots' but also wishes she could have an alcoholic drink too. Oh, and she jokes about weed.
Like, I'm not one to defend tobacco, but drinking a bunch of spirits for 13 year olds is a way bigger risk than a single cigarette; and while cigarettes have more chemicals in and are more dangerous than weed in terms of long term health outcomes, it's not like weed is harmless for your body. Just some really random takes from Ann, there.