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Post by greer on Feb 17, 2008 23:03:27 GMT -5
well, abby cut her hair in abby's twin.
plus maybe ross wasn't that observant about hair, especially when the only difference is length?
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 18, 2008 16:15:58 GMT -5
^ I've wondered about the hair, too. ;D I just reread this one and liked it a lot more than I did the last time (for some reason, I didn't like it after liking it really well. Must have been my mood ;D) I had some thoughts on Abby and her hatred of Valentine's Day but have to collect them more before posting. ;D
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Post by greer on Feb 14, 2009 3:28:54 GMT -5
I just reread this one (and I had a hair question, but realized I answered it myself since Abby cut her hair like Anna's in Abby's Twin).
Upon rereading, I had one thought: FAIL. The logic in this book just does compute. It is working OK up until Ross asks Anna if she pretended to like flowers and classical music just to imitate Abby. Um, Ross, when would Abby ever give you the impression that she liked flowers and classical music?! Abby likes soccer and Aretha/Elvis. So he either had an encounter with Anna a long time ago and thought it was Abby, or he is just the stupidest stupid who ever stupided.
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Post by icequeen on Feb 14, 2009 20:31:34 GMT -5
^ LOL stupidest stupid who ever stupided. I read this for the first time yesterday (I was feeling a little unvaletineish myself) and I like that Abby and Kristy bonded over the fact that neither of them were that excited about V-Day.
I've read somewhere on this board that an example of Abby being gay is when she received the chocolates and said yes she does have someone special to share them with. (They were implying that her "special someone" was Kristy, therefore she is gay.) But no, Abby said she'd be taking them to the BSC meeting for everyone, not just Kristy. And a friend is special anyway so... huh? Maybe I'm remembering this post wrong.
Sorry, I'm not the slightest bit prejudiced with gay people, but I hate when Kristy and Abby get labelled gay because "they're a tomboy" or "Abby doesn't want to date" or "Kristy isnt very interested in boys yet"
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Post by greer on Feb 15, 2009 6:35:03 GMT -5
I do buy Abby being gay and it mostly comes from this book. Abby seems to be a lot more mature than Kristy in a lot of ways--physically, emotionally. Kristy just seems not ready for a relationship; Abby seems really against dating men.
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Post by booboobrewer on Feb 15, 2009 15:24:00 GMT -5
I think Abby is just not ready for a relationship either. At the beginning of this book she flat out states she's going to wait on the boyfriend thing to give the guys a chance to grow up and mature. That seems perfectly reasonable.
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Post by scrounge on Feb 15, 2009 17:58:19 GMT -5
RE: Ross not knowing which twin he was talking to. In high school, I knew this girl who had moved to town recently and had a brief conversation with a guy and really, really liked him. She described him to her friends and they said "Oh, that's Jesse!" so she went around telling everyone she had a big crush on Jesse. He heard about it and arranged through a friend to meet her at a coffee shop...afterwards she told her friends "that's not him!" Turns out the guy she first met, Cory, just looked similar to Jesse and had somewhat similar interests, and her friends guessed the wrong guy when she described him. So maybe if Ross had had a brief conversation with Anna when the twins first moved there, and then said to his friends, "Do you know who that girl is?" and described her, his buddy might say "Oh, that's Abby, she just moved here."
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Post by greer on Feb 15, 2009 18:03:56 GMT -5
^that makes a lot of sense, but I feel like it's something that should have been explained.
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Post by otempora541 on Feb 15, 2009 19:04:33 GMT -5
I liked this book. I think it's refreshing to see a 13 year old girl who doesn't buy into the whole romance thing.
I think Abby might experiment in high school/college. I just figured she didn't a boy at that particular time.
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Post by starrynight on Feb 16, 2009 11:09:53 GMT -5
I liked this book. I think it's refreshing to see a 13 year old girl who doesn't buy into the whole romance thing. This has never been one of my favorites, but that's one thing I've always liked. In this day and age, especially, there's so much emphasis on dating and boyfriends that it's nice when a different message is presented. As for the lesbian thing, I don't like it either when Kristy and Abby are labeled as such just because of their tomboyish nature and lack of interest in boys. If I HAD to pick one of them to be one later one, though, it would probably be Abby.
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Post by zoar3 on Dec 1, 2009 20:54:08 GMT -5
This book is so boring and prolonged. Do we really need to be bombarded with 132 pages of Abby hating Valentine's Day and not wanting to date Ross? ITA that it was refreshing, especially the BSC world of Jessi/Quint and of course, Stacey, to have a female character be confident in her choice to not date at that moment, but still! Got old really fast. The story would have been much more interesting had it focused on Anna. Not on Anna and Ross persay just on Anna and her friends, who we know almost zilch about aside from NY Corley, and how Ross fit into that. Instead it's Abby drivel. The Kristy thing, almost sounded as if she regretted her decision to end things with Bart. Did anyone else feel that way?
The lesbian thing and gay (Byron/Jeff) for that matter, I can completely do without. I do agree with Starrynight.
Of course the odd subplot of this book, Andrew saying goodbye to Guide Dog Scout. I will refrain from commenting on how I felt about the Thomas-Brewers “Training” of Scout. However, I always was disheartened by the fact that they couldn’t have adopted another dog not in her place but maybe in her honor. On the other hand, perhaps I’m still “angry” with Watson for not allowing Kristy to keep “Sonny” the dog in New York, New York.
All in all, one of the mediocre ones imo.
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Post by booboobrewer on Feb 7, 2010 22:53:33 GMT -5
Reading this again I was kind of annoyed that Abby had to be so rude all the time. Rolling her eyes, groaning, making derisive comments, thinking that other people needed to "get lives." So much contempt, and what for? Her bad memories of V-Day seemed really lame. Eating all the chocolates that she and Anna bought their parents? Um, her fault. Feeling bad because her friends on Long Island gave her valentines one year but she had nothing to give them? Yeah, her fault again. Didn't Ross date Stacey? Did they discuss the merits of string quartets vs. U4Me? Also, she wanted Ross and Abby to go out; no Toby/Mallory-like reaction here Ann's letter at the end talks about Thanksgiving and Christmas. Thanks for staying on topic!
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Post by starlett2010 on Feb 9, 2010 20:03:26 GMT -5
You know, Abby was pretty over the top and annoying in this one, but I think she was justified. She shouldn't have been so rude in class, but I don't think it's wrong for her to be annoyed at everyone being crazy for Valentines day. I agree that she could have handled it better by just changing the subject or politely telling her friends that she wasn't into boyfriends or romance or Valentine's day but sometimes that doesn't work. I think Abby's real annoyance was people trying to constantly force her to like/participate in something she didn't believe in, not necessarily Valentine's Day. I remember when I was younger, my friends would always try to pressure me into liking someone when I really didn't. In their minds, any boy was better than no boy and they all had boyfriends and wanted me to have that in common with them. But even at 13/14 I was way more mature than most of my friends and certainly most guys. And even now, I do find "generic" things annoying, like pickup lines, flowers and candy. Not every one finds these types of generic things romantic and when I read this book I felt like maybe that was the case with Abby. It wasn't really about Valentine's Day, it was about people not letting her be herself and trying to force her to fit in and be like everyone else. I also don't get the vibe that she's a lesbian, just that she was mature enough to not want to be in a crush/relationship just because it was the cool thing to do. She had other interests besides guys and I totally relate to that. At 13 I was more interested in writing short stories than calling guys and giggling and hanging up. And yeah, my friends accused me of being a lesbian, but I wasn't; just had different interests at the time. Not that I have any issues with lesbians. Sorry for the long reply guys, I guess I just could really relate to this one and it took me back to being 13/14 years old and feeling like I have to explain myself because other people think I'm weird or something. lol
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Post by starrynight on Feb 11, 2010 14:44:04 GMT -5
I also don't get the vibe that she's a lesbian, just that she was mature enough to not want to be in a crush/relationship just because it was the cool thing to do. She had other interests besides guys and I totally relate to that. At 13 I was more interested in writing short stories than calling guys and giggling and hanging up. And yeah, my friends accused me of being a lesbian, but I wasn't; just had different interests at the time. Not that I have any issues with lesbians. I'm 28 and I don't want a boyfriend right now. Also not a lesbian, so I get where you're coming from. No one ever assumed I was one, though, even though I've never exactly been the world's most active dater!
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Post by oldhickory on May 8, 2010 19:32:34 GMT -5
i just read this one for the first time, and honestly i thought ross was a big jerk. i understand that boys don't always understand subtlety (spellng?) but "i hate valentine's day" is pretty clear. i've had boys who didn't know when to lay off, so it really bothered me that ross was so unrelentless. that can be really uncomfortable, to the point where he's losing more than a date to the dance if he keeps it up. (i think abby addressed that too.) and i HATE the fact the came into HER home and he had the nerve to accuse the girls of tricking him, when anna had every right to be there. it's really unfair that he got upset at the girls when he was the one who was being pushy.
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