alula
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Post by alula on Aug 24, 2007 2:37:07 GMT -5
Logan was a jerk with the dinner though! Mary Anne said, "Uhh dude, i wanted to cool our relationship, remember?" and he was all, "Yeah, but now I'm warming it up again!!1" Mary Anne cannot be bought with tacky candy and a heart b bracelet. I always found the dinner scene to be really creepy, lol. Maybe I was allowed to watch too many Lifetime movies as a little thing, but I totally got a crazy stalker vibe from it. It's just so over-the-top, especially for a thirteen-year-old that it kind of squicks me out--I always have this feeling in the back of my mind that Logan is going to murder Mary Anne and bury her out in the backyard or something. Okay, not really, but it still sets my spidey-sense tingling. Run, Mary Anne, run! And btw, Wuthering Heights is not a romance! Heathcliff is a psychopath! Your boyfriend is being a jerk! (You know, it never occurred to me before, but I wonder if that was actually a really, really subtle joke Ann or the ghostwriter slipped in--I always assumed it was just one of the Cliffs Notes references where people think "oh, well, he killed animals, and probably people, and beat his wife, and kidnapped a girl and cheated someone out of his inheritance--but it's okay, because he was sad and tortured and HOTT because he was in LUV.")
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 24, 2007 10:16:27 GMT -5
I can see how the dinner scene might be viewed as creepy. I think a lot of it has to do with how someone views Logan - if he seems creepy to you (which he doesn't to me but Cary and Bart do - not sure why), the scene is creepy. If you see him as a genuinely nice guy, it's kind of nice. And no matter what, I like the food description ;D
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Post by booboobrewer on Aug 24, 2007 11:56:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I'm a total fan of the food ;D but I did always find the date itself pretty darn weird. Even as a kid I found it creepy and silly...Logan in a tux? Candlelight? "I'm ready to warm our relationship back up?" Ick.
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 24, 2007 14:34:56 GMT -5
Not to totally shift gears from Logan in the tux ;D but I just started wondering if this is the book where Mr. P gives his wife the baby shower. That was so sweet, I thought (even if it was a little weird that one of her friends wouldn't have done it.) He seems like a really nice guy.
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Post by Kylie90210 on Aug 27, 2007 23:49:40 GMT -5
Yeah it is. I didn't get the creepy vibe from Logan, i just thought he was trying too hrda to get MA back basically.
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 27, 2007 23:58:12 GMT -5
^ Glad I'm not alone ;D I like Logan, though, even in this book. Don't know what he was thinking going out with Cokie....
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Post by ringdings on Aug 28, 2007 9:53:26 GMT -5
Now that you mention the tux, I think it's kinda weird that Logan's parents allowed him to rent a tux to woo his girlfriend. He's friggin' thirteen!!
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Post by sotypical42483 on Aug 28, 2007 11:53:33 GMT -5
Yeah I never thought Logan was creepy either, but I am one of the BSC fans who actually likes Logan which seems to be an unpopular opinion sometimes
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 28, 2007 16:49:11 GMT -5
^ We're actually agreeing on that one, sotypical, as I like Logan too ;D Most of the time, in fact. Maybe he already owned the tux for weddings or special events??? (I'm now picturing Squirt Ramsey in a baby-size tux for some reason ;D)
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wanderingfrog
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Post by wanderingfrog on Aug 28, 2007 22:55:36 GMT -5
I don't dislike Logan, but I still think he's creepy in this book.
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lyricalangel
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Post by lyricalangel on Aug 29, 2007 3:14:59 GMT -5
I have always liked Logan.
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starrynight
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Post by starrynight on Aug 30, 2007 14:36:35 GMT -5
I always wanted a relationship like MA and Logan's, because I thought that was totally normal at 13, so I guess you could put me in the Logan fans group.
I never thought the dinner scene was creepy, because (as I said), I always thought that's what dating was about, even at 13!
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alula
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Post by alula on Aug 31, 2007 2:17:21 GMT -5
I kind of go back and forth on Logan. There are some times, especially in his own narrations, when I think he's really funny. (Two random things that stick out in my mind, although not from his POV, are the time when he gets stuck at one of Dawn's ten zillion "welcome home" parties and everyone else gives her all these presents and stuff, and he manages to scare up a pack of sugarless gum, and also the time when Stacey asks how he has so much energy, and he says, "Rechargeable batteries--wanna see?" and starts unbuttoning the top of his shirt, and sophisticated, boy-crazy Stacey is totally embarrassed. Heeheehee.) I always get a kick out of actually seeing him babysit. And there are a lot of times where he obviously makes some effort to be respectful of Mary Anne's magazine rack of issues, and I give him points for that. He can definitely be sweet.
On the other hand, it may just be that some of his bad qualities are ones that particularly push my buttons, especially in boyfriends, and some of that is just that those bad qualities are particularly bad when mixed with MY bad qualities, so I'm hyper-attuned to them. Besides the control issues and the way dramatic romantic gestures, he also has a tendency to get really sulky and snap at Mary Anne when he's upset about other things (like in "Mary Anne and the Search for Tigger" and "Mary Anne to the Rescue"--which, seriously, with MA's own supersensitivity and drama-queeness and them both being THIRTEEN (going on thirty), they should totally have been breaking up and getting back together every two weeks or so.
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Post by Kylie90210 on Sept 3, 2007 21:22:24 GMT -5
Your right, but I just see that all as the good and bad of Logan. I guess if you think of him as perfect, as he initially is, those books can make you think he is creepy.
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Post by sotypical42483 on Sept 7, 2007 23:10:55 GMT -5
I'm just starting to re-read this one. Man I haven't read it in ages, I skimmed through the thread and now I'm excited to read it Agreed that MA and Logan both look a BIT too happy on the cover to be breaking up. I mean seriously what the heck?! The book opens with MA thinking she might be "falling out of love" with Logan, she sure looks pretty in love on the cover. Well, if you can buy that 13 year olds are capable of being in love anyway kinda goes along with Mary Anne Misses Logan where she is pretty much having the time of her LIFE skating with her friends yet she misses him oh so much apparently. I mean come on, these covers are kind of ridiculous (though i do agree with everyone, both MA and Logan look really cute!) Anyway, the thing I wanted to post about was that during the BSC meeting (where claudia had a brown stain on her comforter and sniffs to see what it is - GAG!!!! luckily it's chocolate though honestly, would anyone be surprised if it was um, not chocolate? then she just turns the comforter over and says she'll deal with it later. Disgusting! anyway...) Mary Anne describes Claudia as looking "acute" and says its another one of their words for cool. WHAT?! When have they EVER said acute before?! If they ever did, I certainly missed it.
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