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Post by macca on May 24, 2006 22:37:41 GMT -5
^ still, even a substitute teacher would be qualified enough to know you don't accuse someone of cheating with zero proof. His handling of the matter was absolutely disgraceful. Too bad Claudia's parents didn't raise a big stink over the whole thing. The teacher should've faced consequences of his own.
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Post by Amalia on May 26, 2006 3:28:06 GMT -5
^ Was the chances of it being a coincidence for them to get the same score and the same number wrong that unlikely? I only say this because that happened to me today. I got the same score and the same 2 questions wrong as the person who sat next to me.
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Post by macca on May 26, 2006 5:56:19 GMT -5
^ if you got them wrong EXACTLY the same way, it would be fairly unlikely - depending on the material of course. Often there are particularly difficult or "trick" questions and it's expected that several students would answer them incorrectly. But often mistakes are just due to simple arithmetic errors and two different people are unlikely to add random numbers incorrectly and achieve the same result. Ugh, I'm not explaining myself well.
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Post by Amalia on May 26, 2006 14:13:27 GMT -5
^ You explained it well. Anyways, my test was multiple choice and out of 20, so I don't know what the other person thought. I only heard about it because the teacher said it when he was passing back the papers. And I dunno. What qualifications do you have to have to be a substitute anyways? There are instructors at my school that are just lecturers. They don't have any sort of a teaching degree, just a Masters or something. Most of them have another job in their field, and only become instructors to get more money. The only thing they seem to know is the material. I wonder if that is the same way with substitutes? So maybe they don't always know the correct way to deal with a lot of things that happen in the classroom?
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Post by aln1982 on May 26, 2006 16:04:15 GMT -5
I know that the requirements for subs vary from state to state in the US. MI used to require a teaching degree but now only requires 90 hours of college ed. I know FL didn't even require a degree of any sort at one time. My mom used to work as a sub so I tend to be a little sympathetic to their stereotype as incompetent but know that many are (of course, I also know a lot of incompetent teachers with Bachelors and Masters degrees but I won't go there....)
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macca
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Post by macca on May 26, 2006 20:56:27 GMT -5
In Australia, substitute teachers are fully qualified teachers employed on a casual basis - they are called in when needed. Generally their hourly rate is a little higher because they aren't guaranteed work and they don't get sick pay or annual leave. The only difference is that these teachers don't take the class regularly and are unlikely to know exactly what each student is capable of etc.
That sounds similar to the arrangements at TAFE (tech school). The teachers don't have any official qualifications, really. As far as I'm aware, though, in order to teach kids - primary schools and high schools - the person has to have an official teaching degree, whether they are substitutes or permanent teachers.
ha, yeah. Plenty of teachers may have been good at passing university exams but don't have a clue when it comes to the classroom.
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Post by ktag on Jun 6, 2006 1:12:27 GMT -5
There was this substitute teacher at some other forum who posted about a time when he subbed for a fifth grade class, and they spent the entire class trying to solve one word problem. He complained that the regular teacher hadn't left a solution. Then he posted the problem, and duh. I'm sure the teacher didn't leave a solution because it was EASY. Moron. Heh, sorry, off topic...
Anyway, so many people pissed me off in this book.
Let's start with the teacher. If you didn't actually witness the cheating, then you have no right to accuse whoever you think is most likely the cheater. Then when he apologizes at the end, Claudia says it's okay. No, it's not! He should be feeling like sh*t for giving her an F with no proof!
Why didn't Claud defend herself?! She just stood there looking guilty and then later tried to pretend nothing happened! And then she told her parents not to help! Which leads to...
Why did they listen to her?! They should have marched into that school and taken care of this right away. By not doing anything, they're practically saying that she's guilty. Oh, but you'll get an F. Well, if you're sure you don't want us to help, okay. You'll just have to work harder to make up for the F. What the hell is that?? Why would you ever take an F if you know you didn't cheat? Stupid! Yes, yes, YES! She does this every. single. time! Does something bitchy, then when they get mad at her, she cries, and they apologize! All she has to do is turn on the waterworks, and she can get away with anything. Hate! I think she's my least favorite character at this point.
Just how exactly was this a mystery? We always knew Shawna did it. It really doesn't matter why. Everyone who didn't know assumed Claudia did it, so it wasn't a mystery for them either. Yet at the end, they're all "yay! we solved the mystery!" Right. Also, when did they trick "Cokie Gray" into admitting she was the mystery admirer? As I recall, Cokie let something slip, and Kristy, who had no idea before, went "hey! It was you, wasn't it!" What wonderful detectives they are.
But yeah, word to all the Janine love. Also, props to Stacey and Dawn for "breaking the law."
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Post by macca on Jun 6, 2006 2:17:14 GMT -5
If I was Claudia's parent and she begged me not to "interfere", thereby accepting the apparently undeserved F, I'd be thinking twice about marching up to the school and creating a scene as well. Mainly because many a parent who has pulled such a stunt ends up looking like the idiot when it turns out their Little Miss or Mr Perfect wasn't such an angel after all.
I'd be very suspicious if my kid appeared willing or at least resigned themselves to taking the F. That does NOT sound like the reaction of someone falsely accused at all.
I guess... the mystery of how to clear Claudia's name?
I hated the title, the Middle School Mystery. Always thought it should've been called the Math Class Mystery.
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Post by ktag on Jun 6, 2006 21:47:15 GMT -5
Okay, you're right that Claud was acting stupidly suspicious. I guess I'm just annoyed because we know for a fact that she was innocent, and so something should have been done. Besides, we saw in this book that Claudia isn't suave enough to cheat without drawing attention to herself. Shawna copying all the answers including (I'm assuming) the calculations without Zorzi noticing anything is actually pretty impressive.
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Post by macca on Jun 7, 2006 0:41:06 GMT -5
Strangely enough, that's occurred to me as well. And they were presumably copied identically. No way would the bumbling Claud be capable of that.
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Post by supernatural babe on Jun 7, 2006 12:22:33 GMT -5
SMS needed a catfight!! Why, when overhearing the grade stealing b*tch brag about her evil plan to her friends- didn't claudia race out and beat her up?
She was in enough trouble as it were.
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Post by macca on Jun 7, 2006 18:54:04 GMT -5
^ total word.
I could understand a shy and meek kid like Mary Anne (who wasn't afraid of losing control on occasion, but that's beside the point) standing in the toilet stall quivering, but d**n. Claudia should've marched out there and given the b*tch some serious smackdown.
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Post by lovelylemontree on Jun 7, 2006 22:01:12 GMT -5
There were not enough catfights in the BSC books, for my taste. I love a good catfight. Catfights and people getting hit by cars. That's what I want to read about.
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Post by lilafowler on Jun 8, 2006 0:25:19 GMT -5
^ I mentioned this in another thread, but I used to pretend Jamie Newton got hit by a car when I played with my BSC dolls.
But I really hated Charlotte Johanssen, so sometimes I would play that she got left back.
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Post by ktag on Jun 8, 2006 2:41:14 GMT -5
There were not enough catfights in the BSC books, for my taste. I love a good catfight. Catfights and people getting hit by cars. That's what I want to read about. Poor Howie. Doesn't it seem like they're the meanest to each other? When they have fights, they say some really nasty stuff to each other. But they can't stand up for themselves when they're being framed? C'mon.
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