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Post by lovelylemontree on Jun 8, 2006 12:59:37 GMT -5
ktag, it's really all about what entertains me.
I think that's fairly realistic for middle school girls. From fifth to eighth grade, my friends and I were constantly involved in petty, nasty fights. Someone was always not talking to someone else, or several people, and someone always secretly hated someone else. Major drama. But considering how wholesome the BSC books are supposed to be the constant bitchery within the group is a bit unsettling.
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Post by macca on Jun 9, 2006 0:37:50 GMT -5
^ it's funny how in the Chapter Twos and otherwise, they go on about what great friends they are, how they're not a clique and it's always seen as a horrific, unusual event whenever they fight, which is approximately every other book
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Post by lovelylemontree on Jun 9, 2006 0:43:56 GMT -5
They're such a clique. Why deny it?
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Post by jen on Jun 9, 2006 6:03:52 GMT -5
Stacey finally realises in #130 that the BSC is a clique (and strangely enough, it's after Cokie Mason tells her).
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Post by macca on Jun 9, 2006 6:33:04 GMT -5
^ wow, about time reality sunk in.
How are they not a clique when anyone who associates with a non-member is labelled a backstabbing traitor?
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Post by Amalia on Jun 10, 2006 1:13:11 GMT -5
^ It seems more like a cult to me.
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Post by supernatural babe on Jul 27, 2006 14:39:49 GMT -5
^^^ The Kishi parents only changed their tune when Janine spoke in defence of Claudia.
By not accepting their help Claudia could just be politely telling her parents to go F themselves. I mean, would you want help from your parents who flat out accused you of cheating?
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Post by macca on Jul 27, 2006 19:35:18 GMT -5
^^^ By not accepting their help Claudia could just be politely telling her parents to go F themselves. I mean, would you want help from your parents who flat out accused you of cheating? Well... yeah. If not accepting their help meant possibly failing the class. For sure, be pissed off and angry, but take it out on them in some other way. Why sacrifice the ONE good grade you ever accomplished? IRL, most people do not have genius sisters to clear their names. Of course, the ideal situation (and the RIGHTFUL) situation would be that neither Claudia nor Shawna were actually accused of cheating and that each girl was given the chance to re-take the test if circumstances were really that suspicious.
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Post by lilafowler on Jul 27, 2006 20:31:49 GMT -5
Serious word (my TWoP refugee-ness makes itself apparent once more). Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. And what was it about these girls not wanting their parents involved in their lives? Ignoring all the times the girls just kept stuff from their parents, in this instance the Kishis knew what was going on and Claudia actively forced them to back off. This book really made her seem dim in ways besides her academic performance -- not realizing how bad it looks to your parents when you tell them not to bother clearing your name, plus that genius plan to reenact the math test.
The fantasy aspect of writing a series about girls who live the way the intended audience wishes they could has been discussed in the Sleepover Friends thread, but there is no actual bad example being set for impressionable little kids when Stephanie and her friends spend the night in a little house in the backyard. I think the reason it bothers me so much is that the BSC books are so OTT wholesome in other ways, but even Sesame Street completely reworked the schtick of a character (Snuffy!) when they realized how unhealthy it can be for kids to even imply that it's better to not tell their parents when something bad is going on.
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Post by greer on Jul 27, 2006 21:38:53 GMT -5
^ITA. It's especially bad in situations like Baby-Sitters Beware, where the BSC members were ACTUALLY IN DANGER AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO MENTION IT TO AN ADULT. Even now, the first thing I would do would be to tell my parents and the police.
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Post by macca on Jul 28, 2006 6:01:48 GMT -5
The same thing happened in Jessi and the Dance School Phantom. There was some pretty serious sh*t going on - Jessi had stuff stolen and suffered injury as a result of the "phantom" - and eventually Mrs Ramsey asked if something was bothering her. Jessi brushed her off, not wanting to "worry" her.
Bad, bad, BAD message.
When I was a little kid, my natural instinct when I had any sort of problem was to run to my parents. My mum especially liked things to be quite open. So when I read about those oh-so-mature BSC girls accepting no help and dealing with serious problems completely independently from parental influence, I couldn't help wondering if that's what most kids were really like, assuming I must've been some kind of weirdo.
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Post by supernatural babe on Jul 28, 2006 8:53:50 GMT -5
But then it comes down to a pride thing. And Claudia is quite stubborn.. The way I see it, they already think she's cheated so she should let them carry on thinking that. F the grade.
She should have then went and decked the b*tch who copied from her. From the off.
Outragious behaviour. Claudia isn't a violent pupil so if C decks shawna, a teacher's gotta be thinking wtf? Every action has a reaction. Right.
Claudia would probably get detentions but hell looking at her art work on the b*tch's face would make her feel a whole lot better.
The b*tch won't try cheat again.
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Post by macca on Jul 29, 2006 5:39:19 GMT -5
^ haha, I like your attitude! But we all know it would never happen in a BSC book
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Post by booboobrewer on Apr 23, 2007 19:17:56 GMT -5
Bump!
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Post by inge on Apr 24, 2007 5:55:34 GMT -5
Oh wow, I totally forgot there was another thread. Makes sense, though, because you would expect this book to get more responses. Sorry for bumping to other one!
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