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Post by aln1982 on Apr 1, 2006 9:23:13 GMT -5
It sounds like I'm in good company and am really glad to know it I just reread Mary Anne Saves the Day and thought Mimi was right on when she told Mary Anne that she found her quite mature even though she didn't dress like Claudia (I'm not sure Mimi was impressed with Claudia's outfits either even though she was always supportive.) I thought Mary Anne was actually pretty mature in this book and in others and Kristy (other than the lunch room jokes) always seems quite mature as well.
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Post by jen on Apr 3, 2006 7:01:13 GMT -5
Man, don't come to the board for a week and miss out on all rthe good discussion!! Total word to everyone on the maturity debate! (except I thought the watermelon outfit was cool and I wanted to try and imitate it).
Back to the book... I sided with the BSC on this. Yeah, Kristy is bossy and on her high horse a lot of the time, but Stacey was such a b*tch! If she was so mature and sophisticated, she could've just talked to them about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2006 7:36:34 GMT -5
Ooh, I liked it in Claudia and Lighthouse Mystery where Laura Hatt put Claudia in her place by saying how it would have been so cool if she could hang out with the cool kids at SMS but instead had to tag along with Claudia. In fairness, Claudia was newly sent back to 7th grade so she would barely have known anyone. Claudia told Laura that. And Laura kept giving her grief about it. I'm suprised Claudia didn't lose her cool and thump Laura. As for Stacey Vs the BSC: I can see both points of veiws. Sure, she wasn't obliged to invite all the bsc to Robert's party (as originally it was at his house but the location of the party changed to her house so maybe she should have). I didn't like the way she hurt Mary anne's feeling. Stacey she could have atleast had the grace to invite Mary anne as well. (Afterall, Mary Anne had covered for Stacey so she can go out on dates.) Stacey should have given her friends a chance and not have let her new friends dictate who to invite. Who is to say Kristy, M.A, Dawn wouldn't have fitted in? In all honesty, whats the worst they can do? Will Kristy be any worse than the boys? Mary anne is hardly going to walk up to robert's friends and quote statistics on stoneybrook. Dawn should never have spied on her, nor should Kristy have tried to make Stacey feel bad for having other friends.
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Post by sotypical42483 on Apr 3, 2006 13:53:37 GMT -5
As for the maturity, I don't think any of them are really all that mature. I don't even know who I would choose as most mature. Kristy started the club and all, yeah, but she's such a drill sargeant, its her way or the highway. MA does strike me as the most RESPONSIBLE, but she's prone to temper tantrums, so I don't know about mature. I would never even think of Claudia or Stacey as mature. They're stereotypical 13 year old girls who are concerned only with what others think of them. Dawn, Mal, and Jessi don't count. lol.
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Post by macca on Apr 3, 2006 17:35:10 GMT -5
Man, don't come to the board for a week and miss out on all rthe good discussion!! Total word to everyone on the maturity debate! (except I thought the watermelon outfit was cool and I wanted to try and imitate it). whispers... I used to try and imitate Claudia outfits as well... I thought she was SO awesome and her clothes were just so dibbly fresh. Yeah, she's just like the bossy playground bully. What, so you're saying "Get out of my life forever" isn't an acceptable reaction to a forgotten phone message?!?! You're only saying Jessi doesn't count because she's black! RACIST!!! ;D - she doesn't need a babysitter, she IS one! Also, Mal could be mature, if only her parents would let her grow up and wear those dibble sparklies (that joke will never get old!)
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Post by spazgirl on Aug 4, 2006 14:15:46 GMT -5
I dont know how Stacey cleaned up all of that puke. Must have been her guilt that got her through it, but I was gagging and smelling vomit just READING about it. Poor Jamie.
Anyways, I loved this book. Only because it was so dramatic. Stacey was a real wench though, altough I'm sure under certain circumstances and if she had explained herself better her friends might've understood not being invited to her party. Not that they had too, it was a snobby move. I smiled hard during the Kristy smackdown. Too bad it didn't change anything. I would probably say Kristy is the most mature to me. She's been through a lot and is very comfortable with herself, and she's very responsible. Maturity is more than getting your hair permed and filling out a bikini. I'm upset I dont have #84 and #85, I want to read more about this Stacey-less BSC.
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 6, 2006 8:13:51 GMT -5
I dont know how Stacey cleaned up all of that puke. Must have been her guilt that got her through it, but I was gagging and smelling vomit just READING about it. Poor Jamie. I had forgotten about this part. I would not been able to clean it up and would have had to call someone. As for the maturity, I agree that maturity is much more than clothes and makeup. It is so annoying when the Chapter 2s call Claud and Stacey the most mature on this basis.
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Post by macca on Aug 6, 2006 18:25:07 GMT -5
I would've been able to clean it up (with a lot of gagging) but then, I don't have a morbid terror of vomit. I don't like it, of course, but I can deal with it. I don't know how Stacey managed the clean-up job, though.
TOTAL word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 12:47:41 GMT -5
I really did sympathize with Stacey in this one, even if she did a few pretty crummy things (making Mary Anne take her sitting job at the last minute for a date was pretty bad).
When she was at a restaurant and some of the girls were acting like dorks, and Mary Anne had a kitty on her backpack or something? I just cringed. I totally remember that feeling from that age. You love some of your old friends, but at the same time, you don't want to be affiliated with them because you don't feel like them, or something.
I've never read Stacey and the Bad Girls, but I've read a bunch from after that time and, ironically, I can sort of remember THAT feeling, too. I'll have to find it!
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Post by claudiascandystash on Aug 31, 2006 22:11:23 GMT -5
I would've been able to clean it up (with a lot of gagging) but then, I don't have a morbid terror of vomit. I don't like it, of course, but I can deal with it. I don't know how Stacey managed the clean-up job, though. TOTAL word. Dude, I am a total emetophobic. There is no way in hell I would have been able to clean a pile of puke- when I was babysitting at night when I was 12, one of the kids woke up and projectile vomitted all over the kitchen (why she decided to come downstairs to tell me that she was going to vom instead of just heading to the bathroom, I'll never know). I totally called the parents and made them come home to clean it up. No way my 3$ an hour covered puke-duty. I can also empathize with being torn between liking your old friends, and your new friends thinking they are major dorkettes. My best friend growing up was my aunt, who is a year and a half older than me. When she came over to my place, there were some total "OMG" moments when we were with my neighbourhood friends, who were by and large typical suburbia-my mom still won't let me leave the street-matching jogging suits with cartoon characters- type of girls. Of course, when hanging out with my aunt's friends, I was inevitably the most loserish.
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Post by baseballchica03 on Sept 1, 2006 19:27:15 GMT -5
Dude, I am a total emetophobic. There is no way in hell I would have been able to clean a pile of puke- I don't like it, but I could clean it if I had to. (My friends always had me on Puke Patrol in college because I didn't drink much.) What kills me is that in other books, Stacey makes a point of how much she hates puke and that the sight, sound, and smell make her completely ill. I just finished up Boy Crazy Stacey, and she nearly flipped out at the THOUGHT of Margo getting carsick.
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Post by gabbie on Sept 2, 2006 8:07:07 GMT -5
What bothered me about the book was the way Stacey treated Charlotte. Poor Charlotte.
As for Stacey being mature, I think there is a difference between sophistication and maturity. She is sophisticated but not necessarily mature. It is really quite immature to have a party and not invite your closest friends. I can imagine though that it would get very tiring being friends with Kristy and being bossed around all the time though.
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Post by macca on Sept 2, 2006 21:30:28 GMT -5
Yeah, ITA. It baffles me that somehow Stacey was able to put her extreme disgust with puke aside in order to clean up after Jamie Newton. Sure, I could do it (wouldn't love it, but could deal with it) but I don't nearly faint at the mere mention of someone maybe getting carsick.
And sadly, this was never acknowledged in BSC books.
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Post by gabbie on Sept 3, 2006 8:39:25 GMT -5
I was rereading Stacey's Mistake yesterday and something occured to me. Stacey's behaviour in this book is not nearly as out of character as I thought it was since she is just as embarassed by her BSC friends in that book too.
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Post by sotypical42483 on Sept 6, 2006 15:45:16 GMT -5
^She gets embarrassed by them quite easily/frequently. I'm always surprised she stays friends with them, half the time she acts like Claudia is the only one she likes, but the other half of the time she's completely accepting of Kristy, Mallory, etc as well.
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