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Post by sugarandspicexx on Jul 1, 2009 3:29:59 GMT -5
(I'm not actually too sure which way Elizabeth went with her last name when she married Watson, so I've put it as Thomas Brewer.)
Not having read all the books by any stretch, but there doesn't seem to be much indication of these two having anything much to do with each other?
Both ending up as single parents, with two daughters who grew up best friends and living right next door to each other it would have even made sense to me to even go as far as get them together.
I know there are several reasons why it wasn't made to be that way.. It all worked out nicely with Elizabeth & Watson, and they were already together by book 1 and then we wouldn't have the brewer kids etc. etc. And the lovely reunion of Richard and Sharon is a nice part of the overall story too, it just occured to me out of no-where recently that this could have still been maybe an interesting alternate way to take the story.
What do the rest of you think? Is there evidence of them at least being friendly when they were both struggling alone as single parents that I've also missed?
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Post by sparklymouse on Jul 1, 2009 17:21:46 GMT -5
Richard was probably disgusted that Elizabeth let her children run wild and ungroomed and chose to stay away from her. He struck me as anti-social and afraid of women. I'm not sure how he got two women to marry him.
To be fair to Richard, I don't recall Elizabeth and the Kishis being all that friendly with each other either.
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Post by Penny Lane on Jul 2, 2009 11:26:52 GMT -5
Maybe they hooked up after ballet class one day but richard had, um, a problem. Ever since then they have been embarrassed to look at each other and avoid at all cost.
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Post by otempora541 on Jul 5, 2009 11:56:35 GMT -5
sparkleymouse, I'll politely disagree with your assessment of Richard. He can be very liberal and forgiving and kind, and I'd imagine that when Alma died he was happy Mary Anne was surrounded with good women role models: Mimi, Riyoko, and Elizabeth who could've explained to him girl rules. And remember, Charlie took care of the family while Elizabeth tried to get her act togather, and Charlie is probably very aware of other people's opinion about the family.
I'd imagine that Richard and Elizabeth simply had too many things to worry about that it never crossed their mind. Do we even know for sure if they dated before the remarriage?
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Post by sparklymouse on Jul 6, 2009 17:37:26 GMT -5
^otempora541, I politely accept your difference of opinion. ;D Richard may very well have been happy that Mary Anne had Elizabeth, Mimi and Riyoko for role models, but if so then why couldn't he reciprocate the gesture and be there for Charlie, Sam and David Michael?
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Post by greer on Jul 6, 2009 19:38:01 GMT -5
I think Richard and Elizabeth were just both working single parents trying to raise kids on their own who didn't really have much in common besides the fact that their daughters were friends. Richard never struck me as someone who had a lot of friends outside of work colleagues. As I recall, Richard always traveled a lot and had long hours at his firm. Elizabeth probably didn't have much time to socialize until the kids were a little older.
Plus we don't really see that much of the adults' lives anyway, since the series is so focused on the girls. Honestly, the editors probably never even thought about it.
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Post by otempora541 on Jul 6, 2009 19:40:09 GMT -5
sparkleymouse, I honestly have no clue. I'm assuming Charlie got to be an angry little pre teen that shunned adult attention?
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Post by greer on Jul 6, 2009 19:56:41 GMT -5
Charlie always seemed wise beyond his years to me. I don't really see him as having a jerky preteen stage. He took his role as man of the house very seriously.
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Post by booboobrewer on Jul 6, 2009 22:27:56 GMT -5
Richard may very well have been happy that Mary Anne had Elizabeth, Mimi and Riyoko for role models, but if so then why couldn't he reciprocate the gesture and be there for Charlie, Sam and David Michael? Seeing as how Richard sent his daughter to live with her grandmother for a time because he felt he wouldn't do a good parenting job, I'd imagine he'd also feel inadequate around children that weren't even his own. |
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Post by wenonah4th on Jul 7, 2009 12:58:45 GMT -5
^That makes a lot of sense. Probably Richard was relatively neighborly but not really friends, too, with the men in the neighborhood (Mr. Kishi, Mr. Thomas before he left, et al.)
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Post by fluffycakes on Oct 5, 2009 8:13:27 GMT -5
Thinking about it, it's a little strange that Richard and Elizabeth weren't friendlier with each other, since they're in similar situations and their kids are best friends. But as some of you have mentioned, I'm sure it has to do with the series focusing on the club, and the editors not really thinking about developing a friendship between Richard and Elizabeth. In my mind, I imagine that they had a love affair before they met Sharon and Watson. Good old Richie doesn't seem like the love affair type, but he seemed so lonely before he married Sharon, he deserved to have some fun.  |
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