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Post by wiggir13 on Aug 17, 2011 10:35:10 GMT -5
I really want to say MA/Kristy b/c I truly hate Dawn/MA, however, I think Kristy deserves better than MA as a bf. I agree with sparklymouse that Dawn and MA deserve each other.
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Post by sparklymouse on Aug 17, 2011 17:10:37 GMT -5
I've been thinking more and more that maybe that was just how Mary Anne thought sisters were supposed to act. Dawn (IMO) wasn't that bad and also had a good relationship with Jeff to fall back on.
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Post by zoar3 on Aug 17, 2011 17:57:31 GMT -5
I still think Mary Anne was so caught up in Dawn being the first friend she (MA) "chose" that that influenced a lot of her obsession. MA was so busy trying to "keep" Dawn that she really didn't allow herself much of a chance to become friends with Dawn. I hope that makes sense! A sort of similar situation that comes to mind was when The BSC members were discussing Abby's asthma and whether or not the condition would hinder her as a sitter. MA immediately jumps in to say "It's just not safe, Kristy," meaning Abby should not be made a member based on her asthma. Kristy replies with "What about Stacey and her diabetes?" That leads Stacey to tell "us" how she always carries her insulin and hard candy, with her. MA really doesn't seem able to (always) think things through or on her own, she seems to only see "black and white." ITA that it's very possible that some of that does come from being an only child, who it sounded like at times, was very sheltered. I don't think until Richard "loosened up" MA had much of her own identity at all.
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Post by oldhickory on Aug 18, 2011 1:32:03 GMT -5
But they were living together as family members. At that point they were sharing all aspects of their lives together. How long must a relationship be held before it's acceptable to consider one family? For example, if something had happened to Emily Michelle, who had been in Kristy's family roughly the same amount of time as Mary Anne and Dawn had been living together, would you say "eh, you've only been living with her a few months and she's your adopted sister anyway"? Or would you be like "OMG, Kristy, I'm so sorry about your sister!"? the difference for me i their ages. i would be completely understanding if MA had a baby sister and she fell in love with her. i considered my adopted sister "my sister" right away, even before i met her when all we had was a couple of pictures from the orphanage, (and even when i wasn't happy about the adoption.) but i wouldn't feel that way if i suddenly gained a stepsister my age. she already has a family and life independent of me and it's harder to blend two different families together than to accept a baby into a family, if that makes sense. so if emily and dawn both got lost on the island together, i would feel much worse for kristy than i would for MA.
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Post by greer on Aug 18, 2011 6:58:11 GMT -5
the difference for me i their ages. i would be completely understanding if MA had a baby sister and she fell in love with her. i considered my adopted sister "my sister" right away, even before i met her when all we had was a couple of pictures from the orphanage, (and even when i wasn't happy about the adoption.) but i wouldn't feel that way if i suddenly gained a stepsister my age. she already has a family and life independent of me and it's harder to blend two different families together than to accept a baby into a family, if that makes sense. so if emily and dawn both got lost on the island together, i would feel much worse for kristy than i would for MA. It's hard to say. If something, god forbid, ever happened to one of my siblings, I think that I would feel like part of me would always be missing, even though two of them are "only" half and haven't been in my life all that long, comparatively. I don't know how it works with stepsiblings, though.
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Post by sparklymouse on Aug 18, 2011 19:22:22 GMT -5
Alright, if it was Karen instead of Emily would you feel the same way? An "Eh, you only see her every other weekend" sort of thing? Kristy and Karen were step-sisters for about a year, but had zero interaction until very shortly before their parents married. Compared to Mary Anne and Dawn, who were step-sisters for a short amount of time but had a year long relationship before that. They both had the same amount of time to build their bonds.
I just don't think in that instance that Mary Anne was over-reacting. It's kind of like saying if you're a newlywed and your spouse died it's not as traumatic as if you were married for 20 years.
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Post by greer on Aug 18, 2011 19:26:34 GMT -5
I don't think MA overreacted. But I do see a difference in Kristy and Karen's bond and MA and Dawn's bond. It seems to me that the Schafer/Spiers had a harder time becoming one family than the Brewer/Thomas kids did. I do think that Watson saw Kristy as a daughter and Kristy saw Karen more as a sister (rather than step) than, say, Richard saw Dawn/Sharon saw MA as a daughter and MA/Dawn/Jeff saw each other siblings. I don't think this invalidates Mary Anne's feelings, though.
I see my siblings for about a week out of the year, and I don't think that it means that I love them any less or anything. My siblings are my siblings regardless of how much physical time I spend with them.
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Post by sparklymouse on Aug 18, 2011 19:42:12 GMT -5
I agree that MA/Jeff didn't give a sh!t about each other, but I never got the feeling that MA/Dawn ever thought of each other as steps (except for immediately after they moved in together) regardless of how they got along with the other one's parent.
But whatever. Obviously Mary Anne's love kept Dawn alive on that island so that they could be reunited and live happily ever after.
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Post by zoar3 on Aug 18, 2011 20:07:32 GMT -5
^Thank you, Sparklymouse for the laugh. It is very true.
I think part of the issue/problem for me is rarely did we see Mary Anne and Dawn doing anything together outside of the BSC together. They rarely talked or just hung out. When one of them would share something they'd either get a cup thrown near them or be given the silent treatment. As for the Spier/Schafer family, I still don't think that really exisited. I think (at least to some extent) Dawn thought of herself and her mom, Jeff when he was in CT, too, as Schafers who lived with Spiers.
Greer and Sparklymouse, ITA about the TB's acting much more the part of a blended family. At least we saw a few instances of family (non BSC) time with them. Karen/Kristy? The one difference is that they actually had a few family interactions before the wedding whereas Dawn and MA (Richard and Sharon) didn't.
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Post by virgoscorpio on Aug 20, 2011 17:24:40 GMT -5
Mary Anne and Kristy all the way!
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Post by shannon86 on Sept 26, 2011 20:32:37 GMT -5
Me too I love the friendship/relationship between Mary Anne & Kristy the best.
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Post by BuckinghamAlice on Jan 25, 2012 16:29:45 GMT -5
Farewell Dawn should have been called Good Riddance Dawn LMAO, that's fantastic. I agree with fairy3lf2... Mary Anne and Kristy's friendship was more natural and sweet. They remind me a bit of how my best friend and I were when we were young. Kristy is not my favorite, but I like the interactions between her and MA. The MA/Dawn friendship was good at first because it introduced this whole jealousy element with Kristy and them that felt really authentic, but that passed too quickly. I don't necessarily think the relationship between MA and Dawn was completely flawed and dysfunctional, but I think there was definitely some (maybe slightly less than healthy) co-dependence going on there.
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Post by supprazz on Feb 11, 2012 10:53:09 GMT -5
Thanks :lol:
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Post by virgoscorpio on Feb 12, 2012 12:46:41 GMT -5
I've already said Mary Anne and Kristy but I want to add in that there are countless times in the series where Mary Anne and Kristy have their own special moments. Many people have said how they don't seem close in the series but I beg to differ. They might be Chapter 1s where the characters are together, just the two of them, or on-the-side remarks or looks. They rarely got in huge fights (compared to some of the other best friend pairs). I think that if any of the BSC members were to stay friends years from now, it would be them two.
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Post by supprazz on May 8, 2012 4:26:03 GMT -5
^ yeah I agree, they're like sisters from as early as they could remember
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