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Post by aln1982 on Feb 28, 2007 20:36:22 GMT -5
I know there is a thread for this one but I can't find it and have given up looking. I've been looking for the last ten minutes! I could really relate to Abby and was annoyed with the girls for being on her case about not having a boyfriend or a date to the dance. I liked Kristy's attitude in this book about the whole thing. I did think that Abby was kind of mean to Ross, though. She could have let him down easily but I can see how she was on the defensive about the whole thing. I'm glad that Ross and Anna ended up together and loved how Abby and Kristy went to the movies together instead of to the dance.
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Post by Katie on Sept 3, 2007 22:57:47 GMT -5
I felt pretty bad for Abby for the way the BSC was treating her. Unfortunately I know adults who still behave the same way as the BSC when they find out I'm single. Including a coworker who said she felt bad for my mom not being a grandma yet. And suggesting that I'm getting too old to have kids because she's 7 years older and already too old to have more kids than the two she has. (I'm 26 she's 33) You should never date anyone just to have a significant other but that's how some people think. That it's better to be miserable with someone you don't like. Abby knew she'd be unhappy with Ross and the BSC should have known to drop it. You can't force yourself to like anyone or force them to like you. But I've seen both grown women and teenage girls who think the way the BSC did in this book and it's sad. I can't get a boyfriend and that's life so I deal with it the best I can but some of my friends act like it's better to be them in a bad relationship with someone they don't really like than to be me. Abby seemed sensible. Kristy did as well. Mallory probably would have gone overboard with Ben love if she'd been there. And why didn't Jessi mention her deep love for Quint? Did they break up and I miss a book?
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Post by aln1982 on Sept 3, 2007 23:20:21 GMT -5
^ I get the same thing. So does my mom with the grandma thing - I'm an only child and only 25. And I haev no intention of ever getting married or having kids - don't think I'll find anyone "worthy" to marry ;D and have no desire to be a mom. This makes me think about a comment a friend's grandma made to her daughter and my mom Sat. when they were trying to remember how old someone was and said she was 23. She asked, "is she married?" We had to laugh ;D I wish this book would have been out when I was in jr. high and elementary because I would have loved it and could have really related to Abby feeling like there are more important things in life than boys. I always got teased for not having a boyfriend and liked it when books had characters that I could relate to, but this seemed rare. Kristy was my "hero" until she started liking Bart ;D I did like how this book ended with Abby not just giving in. As for Jessi and Quint, they decided to just be friends in one of the books. I think it was before that one. I liked that scene, too, where Jessi realized there were other things in life she wanted to concentrate on and they were too young to be so serious.
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Post by Amalia on Sept 3, 2007 23:32:01 GMT -5
^ I'm with you guys. I have no intentions of getting married either, or of looking for a relationship, or especially of having kids. But I don't get pressure from my friends or family members, so I guess I'm lucky. Yay. And guys are idiots sometimes. There was this guy who came to my job and asked me if I wanted to have dinner with him right then and there. I was like, hulllooo (sp?), I'm in the middle of working right now. As for Abby's case, I don't remember much about it but I do remember that I didn't like Abby taking so long in telling Ross that she wasn't interested. And this totally reminded me of an episode of the Simpsons where principal Skinner asked Patty to go on a date with him when it was Selma that wanted to.
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Post by aln1982 on Sept 3, 2007 23:50:38 GMT -5
^ Totally agree about guys being idiots ;D I think Abby did tell Ross right away that she wasn't interested but yet didn't make it clear enough, maybe. I can't really remember, either. Now I'll have to reread as this is one of my favorites ;D
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Post by Katie on Sept 4, 2007 0:08:58 GMT -5
Oh I'd like to be married and have kids which some people take to mean they can fix me up on dates with drunks, idiots and losers who usually aren't really interested in me anyway. Or their ex boyfriend that they complained about but now say "he's such a nice guy". Most of the truly nice guys I know are only interested in being friends. Story of my life lol but the pressure from other people to get married is annoying and a bit hurtful since being overweight and shy I have two strikes against me already. Used to it though.
I think Abby did try to drop hints to Ross but she wasn't really forceful enough. And you know Mary Anne was sometimes pretty insensitive for someone supposedly the most sensitive club member. And if Mary Anne offended someone it was like they all brushed it off with "oh but mary anne would cry if I said anything" Or maybe that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 21:20:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm gonna have to post a contrary reply. This was the first Abby book I read since I stopped reading BSC books years, years ago. I remember she wasn't one of my favorites back when she was introduced back then and so far it doesn't seem like she's gonna be.
She started right out the gate with a bah humbug attitude about the holiday. A guy happened to take an interst in her and basically schmoozed up to her trying to win points to be on her good side but Abby didn't seem to realize it at first. She didn't give the guy a chance at all and it wasn't simply because she didn't want a date. She started getting bitchy about it for no other reason than principle on her attitude about the holiday.
Kristy had nothing against the holiday in comparison but Abby took it as an affront to her the way the Grinch took Christmas. So she immediately rejected anything associated to the spirit of it.
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Post by aln1982 on Sept 6, 2007 23:30:49 GMT -5
^ Agree that I also didn't like the way Abby dealt with the situation, including her bad attitude towards the holiday. I liked Kristy's attitude much better. What I did like about the book was the overall message (the one I got out of it at least) that girls don't need a boyfriend to be happy and that it's okay to tell a guy (though Abby didn't handle this well at all) that you don't want to go out with him for whatever reason you may have.
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Post by baseballchica03 on Sept 8, 2007 21:44:57 GMT -5
Man, where the heck is the old thread? I swear I remember making comments! Anyway, I'm going to have to disagree with ain & enice about the way Abby handled the situation. She may have been bah humbug about the holiday (I know I am, even when I HAVE a boyfriend - but that's a rant for a different day), but she was completely honest with him from the start. She doesn't like Valentine's Day, she didn't want a date, she didn't want anything to do with it at all, and the guy just kept pushing her. She said she wasn't interested, over and over and over. The mistaken identity thing was a complete accident. When she realized what had happened, she tried to make it right. I kind of get the subtle feeling from this one that Abby might be gay. Think about it, a whole holiday devoted to [heterosexual] couples. She makes it clear that she wants everyone to back off, she's incredibly peeved by this guy who just won't let up. If someone in that position (Abby or not) were gay, it would probably be super uncomfortable. Just a side thought. Edit: Oh, I found the comments I made before about the subject. They weren't in an Un-Valentine thread, they were in the who would you date thread.
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Post by aln1982 on Sept 8, 2007 23:19:50 GMT -5
^ I was mostly unhappy with the way that Abby didn't clear up the mistaken identity sooner and thought she did tell Ross right up front, though, that she didn't want to date him. (It's been a while since I've read this one so I might not even remember what I'm talking about and had better reread so I have something to back up my opinions this time as I am not even sure what my thoughts are on this one now ;D) As for her being gay, I didn't get that feeling at all. The whole situation would have made me uncomfortable, too, and am definitely not gay. I still remember actually crying the first time a boy asked me out because the whole situation was so uncomfortable for me (I was in jr. high and getting all kinds of pressure but just didn't like him, didn't want to have a boyfriend, etc.). Side note, I love Valentine's Day and other "romantic" holidays (actually any holiday ;D) when I don't have a boyfriend (which is almost always because I just have many more important things in my life right now ;D) I remember thinking that the subplot was cute. Was this the one where the Hobart boys wanted to wear tuxes to the Valentine's party?
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Post by greer on Sept 8, 2007 23:43:28 GMT -5
i dunno, this book gave me the "lesbian" vibe from abby too. especially because she's bragged about having "tons of boyfriends" on long island.
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Post by fluffycakes on Feb 17, 2008 22:36:33 GMT -5
Just read this book for the first time and it made me really like Abby. I have similar feelings towards Valentine's Day so I could relate. And I also loved the message that you don't need a relationship to make your life complete and that you should never, ever date someone just to avoid being alone. I have friends in their mid-twenties who still need to learn that lesson, maybe I should lend them this book. I didn't like the way Abby treated Ross. Yeah, it's annoying to have some guy crush on you like that when you're not interested (one of my friends had a crush on me for 2 1/2 years, despite the fact I'd told him I wasn't interested from the beginning), but she didn't handle it well at all. She was pretty unnecessarily rude to him. And the twin switch thing - I don't know what Abby was thinking after Ross made that mistake. I don't know how she and Anna expected to keep up that charade for more than five minutes. Or why they didn't correct him in the first place. As for Abby's sexuality, I don't really get the lesbian vibe from her. I don't find it that odd that she didn't want to date Ross. I got the feeling that the whole situation was more because of the fact she didn't like him, specifically. She said he wasn't her type, so maybe, if he had had more in common with her, she would've felt differently about being asked to the dance. I find her extreme resistance to Valentine's Day a little strange, though. I have similar feelings about it, but I'm almost 10 years older than she is. To really, really hate Valentine's Day at 13 seems a bit odd, but maybe that's just me. One thing that annoyed me was Kristy's perspective about her relationship with Bart. I've never read Kristy + Bart = ? so I don't know how it went down, but it annoyed me how Kristy pretty much says in this book that she didn't think she ever had feelings for him. It seems like a huge inconsistency, because she really did seem to like him in earlier books (like Mystery Admirer, Snowbound, etc). Overall, I liked this one a lot. My favourite Abby book by far. ;D Oh and aln, the subplot was the Thomas-Brewers giving Scout away to the guide dog place. It was sad. Even though Andrew got on my nerves a bit, I felt sorry for him. Sorry for the long post!
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Post by greer on Feb 17, 2008 22:39:54 GMT -5
^yeah, that thing with kristy and bart seemed weird. maybe she was just bitter about how it ended.
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Post by baseballchica03 on Feb 17, 2008 22:50:47 GMT -5
^Which is dumb because it was totally her fault. Granted, "I love you, I love you, I love you!" at 13 is a little weird, but if anyone should be bitter about it, it's poor Bart.
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Post by supernatural babe on Feb 17, 2008 22:58:44 GMT -5
I found it odd that she and Anna had managed successfully to FOOL Ross they were each other; especially when considering how big a deal the BSC make of the hair length differences. Either Ross is an idiot, or Anna put in hair extensions and imitated Abby's voice (with the allergy) or this is an inconsistency. Think about it, a whole holiday devoted to [heterosexual] couplesGay couples can celebrate V day too(St. Valentine was gay also), and the holiday is supposedly meant to celebrate 'love'.(Which is why you can send V cards to friends and family)
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