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Post by virgoscorpio on Feb 15, 2012 22:37:32 GMT -5
^That is a crazy system. I never been graded on a scale that went from 20 percent difference to 10 percent difference. It would probably drive me nuts. My district didn't have the A+ or A either. It was just a solid A but I remember in elementary school we had the S+ and S-. I can see how it would drive you nuts but it does work in the student's favour, since the 20 percent difference is in the A category. I do think, however, if you get 20 questions wrong out of 100 questions, you're still doing a good job and better than average.
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Post by supprazz on Feb 21, 2012 4:06:05 GMT -5
Yeah with both saying no to cheating, whether guilty or not, a retest should have been done right away
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Post by BuckinghamAlice on Feb 27, 2012 23:59:42 GMT -5
I just read this one the other day. For the first time, I skipped the subplot and the descriptions in chapter 2-3.
I think it's fairly ridiculous that the girls weren't both retested immediately. I also found it fairly ridiculous that Claudia refused her parents' help and didn't even try to defend herself. That all made her look guilty when she wasn't. Pretty crummy of her parents to question her (and not insist on getting involved in the matter) but honestly, it's understandable. I have to agree with everyone that's said that Mr. Zorzi handled the situation really poorly, although I probably would have assumed it was Claudia as well. Yay for Janine in this one. Claud gives her a lot of crap, and Janine is usually pretty nice to her.
Also pretty funny that her "wild" sea themed outfit actually seemed normal in comparison to half the over crap she's worn.
The cover also sorta makes me laugh because if Shawna actually had been smirking at Claudia like that, it would have been a dead giveaway, lol.
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Post by oldhickory on Feb 28, 2012 20:30:44 GMT -5
i could easily see claudia being so anxious to prove herself that she flunks the retest too.
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Post by sparklymouse on Feb 28, 2012 21:33:58 GMT -5
^Yes, she would probably be extremely flustered and blank out on some things.
How pathetic was it that Shawna wouldn't even attempt the re-test? I would have at least looked at it and tried to do something with it before I confessed on the off-chance that I'd get lucky.
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Post by wenonah4th on Feb 29, 2012 10:42:27 GMT -5
Rather!
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Post by BuckinghamAlice on Mar 6, 2012 21:11:55 GMT -5
^Yes, she would probably be extremely flustered and blank out on some things. How pathetic was it that Shawna wouldn't even attempt the re-test? I would have at least looked at it and tried to do something with it before I confessed on the off-chance that I'd get lucky. ITA with both statements. I know I would have been flustered. Once (and this was in college, mind you), our AA History professor made the entire class retake a test because the highest score was an 86. That was me. I wanted to get into the 90s on the retest, so I made myself so nervous I got an 84! It was still the highest score though, so I wasn't the only one to drop the ball. And yeah, I'd have at least attempted the retest. She should have gone into that with the same cocky faux confidence she used when she flat out denied cheating the first time. Personally, I can BS with the best of them, so that may just be me, lol.
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Post by oldhickory on Mar 6, 2012 22:33:41 GMT -5
^ one of my teachers offered retests for every test, but if the second grade was lower he would average the two. it was to prevent people from retaking everything just in case, but i don't think people should be punished if it's already been proven that they know the material.
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Post by wenonah4th on Mar 7, 2012 10:26:43 GMT -5
An interesting approach.
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Post by virgoscorpio on Mar 7, 2012 19:59:18 GMT -5
^ Claudia also could have stood up for herself more and even suggested a re-test or something. Not that she was to blame, but she basically accepted his accusations so to speak.
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Post by zoar3 on Mar 7, 2012 21:06:17 GMT -5
^She also let everything hang for way too long. She should have gone to the principal's office either with or without the sub. My major issue with this one besides how Mr. Zorzi handled things was that (it seemed like anyway) neither Mr. Taylor nor Mr. Kingbridge ever directly spoke with Claud's parents. I'd like to think if they had talked, the three of them would have come up with an immediate solution. I understand Claudia not wanting her parents involved. I've said this before but this is certainly one time where they should have gone right down to SMS or scheduled a meeting.
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Post by candykane on Mar 9, 2012 9:07:33 GMT -5
My major issue with this one besides how Mr. Zorzi handled things was that (it seemed like anyway) neither Mr. Taylor nor Mr. Kingbridge ever directly spoke with Claud's parents. Mr. Taylor called Mrs. Kishi, but that was it. And it was only to inform her of the situation, not propose any solution. Mrs. Kishi said he didn't even sound sure of whether Claudia cheated. Why would he not talk with Mrs. Kishi right then and figure out what to do? Instead he just said Mr. Zorzi would have to give Claudia an F on the test. I can't believe they would just take Shawna's word for it. Just more examples of inept adults in Stoneybrook. I skimmed the chapter when they got their tests back and Mr. Zorzi had Claudia and Shawna put their tests side by side. He asked Claudia to look at a specific problem she got wrong and she immediately said "I understand what I did there. I should have multiplied by the reciprocal instead of dividing, right?" He said yes, but that wasn't the point...the point was that Shawna had also gotten in wrong in the exact same way. The fact that Claudia was able to see her mistake right away and correct it should have been a clue that she really did know the material and was being truthful.
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Post by zoar3 on Mar 9, 2012 12:05:30 GMT -5
^Thanks for checking Candykane. That makes the whole thing worse. I wasn't sure they actually spoke just that a message might have been left similar to how Mr. Taylor leaves a message on the Stevensons' answering machine but never bothers to call Rachel at work. The adults in Stoneybrook really don't always follow through, do they?
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Post by virgoscorpio on Mar 9, 2012 13:27:25 GMT -5
I guess that the fact that he was a substitute teacher was key. I keep thinking how he would know Claud was such a poor student but then again he could have (a) guessed from viewing her in class for the few days or weeks he was a teacher or (b) have access to the grade book and see all of her bad grades.
In fact, the exact same thing happened to me when I was in Grade 3 or 4 and we also had a substitute. But I can't remember what happened. I was the smarter kid in the situation and there was another guy who was the "not so smart" kid. But it never excelled beyond the classroom, like to the principal or family.
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Post by sugarfrostedflake on Mar 9, 2012 14:57:11 GMT -5
virgoscorpio: Mr. Zorzi knew Claudia's track record as a student because he'd been her teacher for a few consecutive weeks in math while her regular teacher was recovering from an operation and he'd also taught her previously. "Mr. Zorzi is my math teacher – at least he is for now. See, my regular teacher is out for a few weeks, recovering from an operation, so we have Mr. Zorzi as a long-term substitute.
“He’s okay, I guess. I’ve had him before. He knows it takes me awhile to catch on to some of this stuff,” I said, nodding toward my messy notebook.
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