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Post by zoar3 on Oct 5, 2013 20:43:43 GMT -5
^The sub-plot is a play that James Hobart wrote called "Little Dog Lost." Johnny, Mathew, the Perkins girls and maybe Jamie? are supposed to help Chewy find his owners. The only specific thing I remember is that a shoe store is involved (this play takes place at a mall) and that Myriah warns one of the BSC sitters that Chewy should stay in the garage until the performance because he'll run off otherwise. I felt badly for poor Chewy then but I think, and I haven't read this book in ages, Myriah was right and Chewy did run off. The other part of the sub-plot is once again Mel and Zach tease the Hobarts. :/
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Post by supprazz on Oct 9, 2013 10:44:43 GMT -5
^True. I would like to believe especially given their "dad" all three Thomas brothers would try to treat the women in their lives both romantic and otherwise right. I always did wonder though how Travis found Dawn unless he somehow figured out or over-heard her last name and looked up Sharon. Sort of creepy either way! If there mother raises them right, they should be fine most of the time, but it's not uncommon for guys to mirror how their dad's acted when mistreating their wives or children before separation either. It's so important to have a good support system so that they respect women later on. Charlie seems cool, Sam is funny but also weird sometimes I find. And yes, I found it very creepy too. Even if I liked someone and they told me they know where I live or will find out (I've been in that situation), it really creeped me out, especially the fact they found nothing wrong with their behaviour.
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Post by supprazz on Oct 9, 2013 10:48:09 GMT -5
Read this one again last night, and I'm liking it less and less every time I pick it up. In fact, I think my opinion of this book has changed more than with any other. I loved it back in the day; it had shopping, boyfriend stuff, borderline makeover stuff, grilled cheese sandwiches. What wasn't to like? Now, though, I spend the entire book wanting to punch Travis in the face and wondering if the ghostwriter had ever met a 16 year old boy, since they never act that way in real life. Hodges clearly hadn't met one, judging by the middle aged man on the cover.... I felt the same way too in my teens, and Sharon had a good point about something not being right with him buying too many presents in the beginning. Maybe not all guys who do that are bad and genuine with it, but if you're getting to first know someone, I think they should just pay for dinner if not split it and leave it at that until it goes further, too much is overkill from the start and overbearing. And he should have let her order what she wanted! And yes, he looked way older on the cover, I want to call him the P word but I would have felt differently maybe if he was with someone his own age, 16 LOL then he would be a misogynist
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Post by mallorypike on Oct 26, 2013 17:09:07 GMT -5
When I was little, Dawn and the Older Boy used to be one of my favorite books. But, now that I'm older, I realized this book was just weird. I think Travis probably knew Dawn had a crush on him (I mean, it was pretty obvious) and he was just decided to lead her on instead of breaking her heart. Have you noticed that Dawn is always changing herself when she has a crush on a boy? And the BSC is always going on and on about how she is always an individual...
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Post by sparklymouse on Oct 26, 2013 20:18:33 GMT -5
Sometimes I think them calling Dawn an individual was code for them saying they would make fun of her if she wasn't in the group.
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Post by Amalia on Oct 27, 2013 11:01:13 GMT -5
^ Just to piggy-back off of that, I remember them saying that she's kind of sensitive so they call her an individual because maybe that's what she wants to be referred as? Because maybe if they give the labels then she'll get her feelings hurt?
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Post by msstock87 on Oct 27, 2013 20:15:37 GMT -5
Sometimes I think them calling Dawn an individual was code for them saying they would make fun of her if she wasn't in the group. I never really thought of it that way, it is something to think about.
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Post by supprazz on Oct 27, 2013 23:41:32 GMT -5
they just call her individual for not having diabetes as a backup for not eating junk food and being a vegetarian
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Post by Amalia on Nov 3, 2013 12:56:50 GMT -5
^ I kind of feel that Cabbages and Kings was put in the series solely because of Dawn. And to add to your list supprazz, standing up for what she believes in (school spirit war, the environment, etc.) and doing things even if it's socially on the outside like going alone to dances.
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Post by candykane on Nov 3, 2013 19:36:48 GMT -5
^ I never thought of Cabbages and Kings existing just because of Dawn, but thinking about it, it was kind of convenient that there just happened to be a vegetarian place in a town as small as Stoneybrook. In the small town I grew up in there was nothing like that. But that was the Midwest - maybe things are more progressive in CT.
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Post by sparklymouse on Nov 3, 2013 20:40:26 GMT -5
Stoneybrook had so many oddball businesses that I can believe they had some specialty restaurants.
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Post by supprazz on Nov 4, 2013 12:18:09 GMT -5
That's pretty funny, that probably is why it existed LOL I always liked the name cause of the Alice in Wonderland/Looking Glass reference
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Post by msstock87 on Nov 7, 2013 16:35:02 GMT -5
^ I never thought of Cabbages and Kings existing just because of Dawn, but thinking about it, it was kind of convenient that there just happened to be a vegetarian place in a town as small as Stoneybrook. In the small town I grew up in there was nothing like that. But that was the Midwest - maybe things are more progressive in CT. It was kind of convenient now that I think about it. Although sometimes I must admit their food sounded good.
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Post by thejunkbucket on Oct 6, 2015 16:02:16 GMT -5
^Good point and question about Charlie. He did seem to take the BSC Members wherever at a drop of a hat (this was super nice of him) just odd at times. In this book, if charlie were truly a friend of Travis' you would think he would have had some inclination or knowledge of what was going on with Dawn. Travis and Charlie and Sam were definitely friends, or in the early stages. Remember, Travis had just moved to Stoneybrook from California, so it's not like they'd been friends forever or even a few months. But Kristy does mention at the first club meeting since the slumber party that Travis had been to the house "once or twice" to shoot hoops with Sam and Charlie and their guy friends. Later, at another meeting, Kristy drops the bomb that Travis has a girlfriend and mentioned that Sam told her that Travis only tried out for swimming because she's the captain of the swim team. So Travis does at least confide in Sam.
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Post by virgoscorpio on Jan 3, 2016 13:44:06 GMT -5
Just another example of the "individual" NOT being an individual, and to add to that, this book heavily alludes to the Lewis story line coming up where she basically does the same thing. I always feel that some of the Dawn books could be given to other characters (like Stacey). Also, to be fair to Travis, he does say that he likes how he and Dawn have California in common and he does treat her like a little sister almost. I guess guys can't even be friends with a 13 year old girl without giving them the wrong impression? Also another example of stalker Dawn. The fact that she spends all afternoon stalking Travis and Sara is creepy seeing as after just a few minutes of watching them she could probably tell they were together. Overall this book was weird, I agree.
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