lyricalangel
Sitting For The Newtons
Logan's love-bunny
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Post by lyricalangel on Aug 9, 2007 21:33:49 GMT -5
I liked her in the regular BSC books when she was completely different. It seems like some of the characters had personality transplants for the CD series. I have only read the first two diaries though.
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Post by sotypical42483 on Aug 10, 2007 11:59:16 GMT -5
To expand on my Jill statement, it wasn't just her interests that made her seem to child-like. It was just the way she acted, she was just sooo shocked and appalled by everything and shrieking about teddy bears and stuff. Honestly reading it I was just like is this girl for real? She seemed much more like a client than a 13 year old girl.
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 10, 2007 16:49:45 GMT -5
^ I guess I never read much about Jill or maybe just never noticed. Are you getting this from the BSC books or the CA Diaries because I haven't read those?
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Post by sotypical42483 on Aug 11, 2007 15:41:44 GMT -5
Oh, I'm mostly basing it off CA Diaries, Dawn #1. I really don't recall much about Jill from the BSC series. And maybe I'm being brainwashed by Dawn and she really wasn't that bad, but Dawn sounded absolutely mortified by her behavior. But this is also the Dawn that didn't give a crap about her Stoneybrook friends anymore either...
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Post by aln1982 on Aug 17, 2007 23:40:29 GMT -5
Just reread some of the Dawn in CA BSC mysteries and didn't get enough info about Jill to see her in a negative light. One thing I did pick up on were some similarities between her and MA. For example, she wrote the notes to organize the Halloween party in Halloween Mystery. She also seemed like the most sensitive of the group. Anyone else see some similarities or other similarities between the CA and Stoneybrook sitters? Sunny always seemed a bit like Kristy, being the idea person.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 28, 2008 16:44:49 GMT -5
Jill seemed really…. odd…. in the CA Diary Dawn 1. She wasn’t just babyish, I didn’t think. She was really…. I just don’t know the word I’m looking for. ;D This was disappointing because I really liked her the most out of all the WLKC in the BSC books. At the end of Dawn 1, though, I actually didn’t think Jill was that bad (though her taste was a bit on the strange side but I have to imagine what Claudia must look like sometimes ;D) and really sided with her over Dawn, Sunny, and Maggie. After reading the CA Diaries, I think I like the WLKC, including Jill, even less. It did give me a different perspective on them, though, as their personalities seemed pretty different from what they were in the BSC book or maybe they were just more developed.
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Penny Lane
Sitting For The Arnolds
The Girl With Colitis Goes By
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Post by Penny Lane on Feb 28, 2008 17:06:03 GMT -5
I really liked the We heart Kids Club in Dawn on the Coast. It seemed like something they did because they missed Dawn, and maybe they figured -- hey, it's a good idea, plus we should show her and maybe she'll move back in with her dad. Well, maybe that's what Sunny though.
As for the members of the We Heart Kids Club in the CDs... I think they were transformed completely. I think Jill would be really annoying to be around, the rest of the girls are growing up. They made a mistake, along with a lot of other people. They got punished for it. They have to live with it. They don't need someone whom they considered a friend to be constantly nagging at them and carrying on. I also think that Jill just came off as really childish and naive.
I would have liked it better if she didn't just cut off contact though, and they made her character more like "Millie" on Freaks and Geeks (anyone?)
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 28, 2008 17:56:56 GMT -5
^ How did they get punished? The whole school - including Jill - got punished, from what I saw.
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Penny Lane
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Post by Penny Lane on Feb 28, 2008 18:35:20 GMT -5
I don't know. I don't remember. I just remember being annoyed with Jill and taking Dawn's side. I thought it had something to do with them cleaning up someone's yard on a Saturday. But I must be mistaken and need to re-read.  |
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 28, 2008 18:44:21 GMT -5
^ Just read it and they weren't punished individually (those who went to the party). The whole school was punished with the yard thing. That included Jill, who did nothing wrong. I would have been mad too. ;D
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alula
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Post by alula on Feb 28, 2008 20:50:11 GMT -5
^I also thought that Jill was absolutely entitled to be furious that she was basically trapped into covering for the other girls with her mother and sister. That's an awful thing to do to a friend. And I also think she was genuinely worried about what could have happened to them, which isn't particularly immature. I used to worry about my friends when they did spectacularly stupid things, and I would have been worried about my thirteen-year-old friends walking alone on unlit streets at ten at night IS stupid, before they even got to the party.
I tend to think that for whatever reason (personality or family history or being a 'late bloomer' etc), Jill was much more disjointed by the move to the high school than the others were, and was overcompensating. In that way, I actually kind of think she's sort of like Kristy is, except that because they have different personalities and styles, their anxieties manifest differently. Kristy becomes a control freak; Jill works REALLY REALLY hard at not dealing with adolescence. And because CD writes her off so quickly, we have no way to guess what the underlying reasons for her behavior are, as we get for pretty much anyone else.
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Post by booboobrewer on Feb 28, 2008 21:10:51 GMT -5
I thought it was a sweet, albeit sad moment, when Jill catches up with Dawn several books later and asks her isn't it about the time for Carol's baby to be born. She was always genuinely excited about the baby, and was the first friend Dawn told that Carol was pregnant. Although I could understand Dawn's frustration at the end of her first diary, I didn't like the way she ditched Jill, because Jill was really nothing but caring and concerned for them all even if she came off as disapproving, and it must have felt awful to be written off by all your friends like that.
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Post by aln1982 on Feb 29, 2008 16:59:48 GMT -5
Glad for the agreement, alula, and I agree about your theory with Jill. That's sad, booboo. What book was that in? (I assume a CA Diaries.) I like Jill in the regular series so will pretend that she didn't change (and that the others didn't either ;D) in the CA Diaries and just stay away from those. ;D
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Post by booboobrewer on Feb 29, 2008 18:39:25 GMT -5
It's the book when Gracie is born, so I think Dawn Diary 2.
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Post by aln1982 on Mar 1, 2008 17:42:13 GMT -5
^ Thanks. I can't find any more of the CA Diaries at the library and don't really like them but am interested in all of this stuff. Maybe I'll just ask you guys who like them the questions. ;D
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