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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Sept 18, 2020 23:56:11 GMT -5
^ I think that was the Craines, I know I know one of them had a simpsons sleeping bag lol.
One of the little sister books mentions Mr. Ed. One of the friends forever books mentions Princess Diana. Abby's dad went to Woodstock with a ticket.
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Post by m0drnmoonlight on Sept 19, 2020 12:01:34 GMT -5
-It's already mentioned that Claudia does the Kevin McAllister screaming thing from Home Alone when Mary Anne shows the haircut she wants in Mary Anne's Makeover. One of the California DeWitts does this too when Dawn shows up with her video camera in Jessi and the Bad Babysitter. -In Kristy's Big Day, Kristy says the large group of kids they're babysitting spend the morning watching Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers when it's raining. This was before they became super anti-TV during sitting jobs, of course! -In Mallory's Christmas Wish, Mallory notices Claire dancing to the Elvis Christmas album while she and Vanessa are writing. -Watson says he has a "date" to watch Barney with Emily Michelle in Kristy and the Missing Fortune. -To go along with the countless Wizard of Oz references, there's a Little Sister book when Karen and her siblings and maybe Hannie and Nancy do Wizard of Oz costumes for Halloween. Only ones I remember though are Karen is the witch, Andrew is Toto and Emily Michelle is a Munchkin. And I forget which book this was! -In I believe Karen's Goodbye, when Karen throws a goodbye party for Amanda Delaney, they play "musical rug" and Karen says Sam played a Michael Jackson album for it. ^ I think that was the Craines, I know I know one of them had a simpsons sleeping bag lol. One of the little sister books mentions Mr. Ed. One of the friends forever books mentions Princess Diana. Abby's dad went to Woodstock with a ticket. The Little Sister book is Karen's Worst Day! She's all excited to watch Mr. Ed but then it doesn't end being on TV and she's all upset.
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Post by TheTig on Sept 19, 2020 13:54:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the Craines! I thought I remembered it being a not super regular character but I also remembered it being two kids so Arnolds it was. Haha
Speaking of Sesame Street, I think I remember Marnie watching it sometime close to when The Dewitts and Barretts joined.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Sept 19, 2020 21:42:36 GMT -5
I wonder if bands like U4Me or something like that are stand ins for some bands that were popular at the time, like New Kids on the Block or something would be interesting.
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Post by TheTig on Sept 19, 2020 23:22:52 GMT -5
I think so a lot of the time. Can Geary's obviously supposed to be a Michael J Fox type, and there's others like that too.
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Post by Elsie13 on Sept 20, 2020 20:52:33 GMT -5
In Claudia and the Middle School Mystery Claudia wears a pair of earrings that she describes as looking like Princess Di's. Karen has a Donald Duck nightlight and in Karen's Worst Day Andrew is sent video tapes of Lady and the Tramp and the Secret of NIMH in the post. Gabbie and Myriah Perkins also have an Cabbage Patch doll in Logan Likes Mary Anne.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Sept 20, 2020 21:24:43 GMT -5
Kind of an obscure reference but Mallory mentions that her brothers watch kung fu movies in Mallory Hates Boys (and Gym), and they watched a movie called return of the master killer. I looked it up and apparently it's a real movie.
Emily Michelle watches care bears in the same book.
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Post by TheTig on Sept 20, 2020 22:58:47 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, there have been a lot of Princess Di references. Also they mention Barbie a lot. And I think I remember a couple of Barney allusions.
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Post by Elsie13 on Sept 21, 2020 22:20:32 GMT -5
-It's already mentioned that Claudia does the Kevin McAllister screaming thing from Home Alone when Mary Anne shows the haircut she wants in Mary Anne's Makeover. One of the California DeWitts does this too when Dawn shows up with her video camera in Jessi and the Bad Babysitter. -In Kristy's Big Day, Kristy says the large group of kids they're babysitting spend the morning watching Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers when it's raining. This was before they became super anti-TV during sitting jobs, of course! -In Mallory's Christmas Wish, Mallory notices Claire dancing to the Elvis Christmas album while she and Vanessa are writing. -Watson says he has a "date" to watch Barney with Emily Michelle in Kristy and the Missing Fortune. -To go along with the countless Wizard of Oz references, there's a Little Sister book when Karen and her siblings and maybe Hannie and Nancy do Wizard of Oz costumes for Halloween. Only ones I remember though are Karen is the witch, Andrew is Toto and Emily Michelle is a Munchkin. And I forget which book this was! -In I believe Karen's Goodbye, when Karen throws a goodbye party for Amanda Delaney, they play "musical rug" and Karen says Sam played a Michael Jackson album for it. ^ I think that was the Craines, I know I know one of them had a simpsons sleeping bag lol. One of the little sister books mentions Mr. Ed. One of the friends forever books mentions Princess Diana. Abby's dad went to Woodstock with a ticket. The Little Sister book is Karen's Worst Day! She's all excited to watch Mr. Ed but then it doesn't end being on TV and she's all upset. In Karen's Worst Day Karen also says that Muppet Babies is one of the only TV shows that she likes
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Post by sparklymouse on Sept 21, 2020 22:34:04 GMT -5
Do you guys like the pop culture references, or would you prefer they weren't there? I personally think they're funny. I know the argument against is that they date the material. Just looking at Elsie13's post above me, The Simpsons are still airing new episodes, and Muppet Babies has been remade recently. I think young readers can follow along with enough stuff.
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Sept 21, 2020 23:16:03 GMT -5
Do you guys like the pop culture references, or would you prefer they weren't there? I personally think they're funny. I know the argument against is that they date the material. Just looking at Elsie13's post above me, The Simpsons are still airing new episodes, and Muppet Babies has been remade recently. I think young readers can follow along with enough stuff. I do like it, I think it's interesting to look back especially when shows get remade or still airing like those examples. It's like a time capsule that we just look back on and smile. The books are kind of dated with them having a landline, VHS tapes, cassettes/CDs. I would rather them add more it makes it fun to read about.
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Post by Elsie13 on Sept 22, 2020 5:24:51 GMT -5
Do you guys like the pop culture references, or would you prefer they weren't there? I personally think they're funny. I know the argument against is that they date the material. Just looking at Elsie13's post above me, The Simpsons are still airing new episodes, and Muppet Babies has been remade recently. I think young readers can follow along with enough stuff. I like them and don't have a problem with them. I mean, if you read the Secret Garden or another old children's book the language is old fashioned and they feature clothing and technology from the time (i.e petticoats and horses and carriages). That's often part of the fun of reading...immersing yourself in a different time and place, kids will still read books that feature cultural references, language and technology that is unfamiliar to them or different to what they are used to, it's an important part of reading books - they put you in someone else's shoes in someone else's historical/cultural context. I grew up reading all kinds of books and think part of the joy of reading is reading books from different contexts, whether they were written in the 1940's, only 10 years ago or whenever else and books about different people at different times and in different places. Also, for those of us that grew up with cassette tapes, Cabbage Patch Kids and landline phones it's familiar and nostalgic, which is a big part of why we keep reading childhood books, right? Everything dates, but that doesn't mean it looses it's value or relevance. I don't think it's a big deal.
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Post by TheTig on Sept 22, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -5
I agree completely, Elsie! I love to have pop culture/normal culture references in books from the time period. I like them in historical books too, but not to the point that it feels gimmicky if that makes sense. I always feel a little like '!' when the BSC mentions something actually from the late 80s/90s because it makes it feel like it's really authentic for the time and helps me to cement in a certain place. Also it helps with realism in any media, I think.
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Post by m0drnmoonlight on Sept 22, 2020 12:35:51 GMT -5
Do you guys like the pop culture references, or would you prefer they weren't there? I personally think they're funny. I know the argument against is that they date the material. Just looking at Elsie13's post above me, The Simpsons are still airing new episodes, and Muppet Babies has been remade recently. I think young readers can follow along with enough stuff. I do like it, I think it's interesting to look back especially when shows get remade or still airing like those examples. It's like a time capsule that we just look back on and smile. The books are kind of dated with them having a landline, VHS tapes, cassettes/CDs. I would rather them add more it makes it fun to read about. That's how I feel, it's nostalgic and reminds me of my childhood. Like re-reading Jessi and the Bad Babysitter and seeing Troll dolls and Nerf guns, it brought back memories of when I was a kid. It just got outrageous when Jessi's siblings were happily watching Flipper or the girls were super excited to watch To Kill a Mockingbird at a sleepover that you wonder if Ann was well-versed in what was popular at the time!
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Post by CharlotteTJohanssen on Sept 22, 2020 12:38:16 GMT -5
I do like it, I think it's interesting to look back especially when shows get remade or still airing like those examples. It's like a time capsule that we just look back on and smile. The books are kind of dated with them having a landline, VHS tapes, cassettes/CDs. I would rather them add more it makes it fun to read about. That's how I feel, it's nostalgic and reminds me of my childhood. Like re-reading Jessi and the Bad Babysitter and seeing Troll dolls and Nerf guns, it brought back memories of when I was a kid. It just got outrageous when Jessi's siblings were happily watching Flipper or the girls were super excited to watch To Kill a Mockingbird at a sleepover that you wonder if Ann was well-versed in what was popular at the time! The To Kill A Mockingbird reference just seemed so random! You could tell when Ann was still writing the books before the ghost writers she was pulling a lot from her childhood in the fifties and sixties.
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