|
Post by m0drnmoonlight on Mar 1, 2023 13:34:03 GMT -5
I agree about Kristy. There's 13 years of history there. I also think Dawn and Mary Anne wouldn't have been as close if not for their parents dating. I wish we had more books of their friendship before they discovered the old romance. It all happened in the same book, and in a slower timeline I think it would have cooled into just a normal friendship. This book is iconic for the scene when Mary Anne smashes the teacup. I don't blame her for being so upset though, like you said, oldmeanie! Her feelings are fine, but her actions are not. Smashing things is abusive and she's passive aggressive for the rest of the book. If Jeff broke dishes because he was mad at Dawn, you know he would've been forced into counseling. You're right, it is abusive. I remember being absolutely shocked the first time I read this because she's the last character I'd expect to do that. And out of all the girls, Mary Anne is the queen of passive aggression. I agree that Mary Anne should have gone back to Dr. Reese about this. We saw in #86 she has some abandonment issues and then Dawn up and leaving clearly made her feel worse.
|
|
|
Post by oldmeanie on Mar 2, 2023 1:38:02 GMT -5
I agree about Kristy. There's 13 years of history there. I also think Dawn and Mary Anne wouldn't have been as close if not for their parents dating. I wish we had more books of their friendship before they discovered the old romance. It all happened in the same book, and in a slower timeline I think it would have cooled into just a normal friendship. This book is iconic for the scene when Mary Anne smashes the teacup. I don't blame her for being so upset though, like you said, oldmeanie! Her feelings are fine, but her actions are not. Smashing things is abusive and she's passive aggressive for the rest of the book. If Jeff broke dishes because he was mad at Dawn, you know he would've been forced into counseling. Come to think of it, Mary Anne and Dawn don't have a whole lot in common either. Interesting to think about what would've happened if Sharon and Richard hadn't dated in the past. Somehow they bring out the worst in each other. Kristy and Mary Anne were always described as being opposites, but I think they had more in common than Mary Anne and Dawn (and they complemented each other rather than clashed). Sharon and Richard should've pushed Mary Anne to go into counseling after the cup incident and ignoring Dawn for so long. Never thought of her actions as abusive and am definitely not that knowledgeable on the topic, but her actions in this book feel emotionally abusive. I definitely don't agree with how she was acting, but I understood where she was coming from.
|
|
|
Post by m0drnmoonlight on Mar 2, 2023 9:46:55 GMT -5
I agree about Kristy. There's 13 years of history there. I also think Dawn and Mary Anne wouldn't have been as close if not for their parents dating. I wish we had more books of their friendship before they discovered the old romance. It all happened in the same book, and in a slower timeline I think it would have cooled into just a normal friendship. Her feelings are fine, but her actions are not. Smashing things is abusive and she's passive aggressive for the rest of the book. If Jeff broke dishes because he was mad at Dawn, you know he would've been forced into counseling. Come to think of it, Mary Anne and Dawn don't have a whole lot in common either. Interesting to think about what would've happened if Sharon and Richard hadn't dated in the past. Somehow they bring out the worst in each other. Kristy and Mary Anne were always described as being opposites, but I think they had more in common than Mary Anne and Dawn (and they complemented each other rather than clashed). Sharon and Richard should've pushed Mary Anne to go into counseling after the cup incident and ignoring Dawn for so long. Never thought of her actions as abusive and am definitely not that knowledgeable on the topic, but her actions in this book feel emotionally abusive. I definitely don't agree with how she was acting, but I understood where she was coming from. Mary Anne and Dawn definitely brought out the worst in each other. Sure, Mary Anne and Kristy had occasional fights but Dawn and Mary Anne saved their nastiest put-downs for each other. I'm just thinking of when Dawn told Mary Anne she had a boy haircut and clown makeup and Mary Anne told her to go choke on an alfalfa sprout XD Teenagers acting like teenagers though!
|
|
|
Post by oldmeanie on Mar 2, 2023 13:31:47 GMT -5
Come to think of it, Mary Anne and Dawn don't have a whole lot in common either. Interesting to think about what would've happened if Sharon and Richard hadn't dated in the past. Somehow they bring out the worst in each other. Kristy and Mary Anne were always described as being opposites, but I think they had more in common than Mary Anne and Dawn (and they complemented each other rather than clashed). Sharon and Richard should've pushed Mary Anne to go into counseling after the cup incident and ignoring Dawn for so long. Never thought of her actions as abusive and am definitely not that knowledgeable on the topic, but her actions in this book feel emotionally abusive. I definitely don't agree with how she was acting, but I understood where she was coming from. Mary Anne and Dawn definitely brought out the worst in each other. Sure, Mary Anne and Kristy had occasional fights but Dawn and Mary Anne saved their nastiest put-downs for each other. I'm just thinking of when Dawn told Mary Anne she had a boy haircut and clown makeup and Mary Anne told her to go choke on an alfalfa sprout XD Teenagers acting like teenagers though! Even before that (I actually find both of those quips really funny, but otherwise that fight was awful on Dawn's part). I think one of the worst ones was in Dawn's Wicked Stepsister. Mary Anne was kind of a monster with how she sort of implied Dawn was fat (which no one should do. Also, how could they even share clothes? Dawn is much taller than Mary Anne) and making the cruel boyfriend comment. Ugh. Tbh, many things about the Schafer-Spier situation felt like poor planning, particularly with food.
|
|
livvy
Sitter-In-Training
Posts: 394
|
Post by livvy on Jul 29, 2023 0:25:19 GMT -5
Why is everyone taking MA's side??
What Dawn did was unforgivable. She didn't take anyone else's feelings into consideration. She basically thought of herself all the way through.
And I'm betting Sharon is regretting moving to Stoneybrook. She lost both kids.
Good riddance Dawn!
|
|
|
Post by oldmeanie on Jul 29, 2023 13:57:22 GMT -5
Why is everyone taking MA's side?? What Dawn did was unforgivable. She didn't take anyone else's feelings into consideration. She basically thought of herself all the way through. And I'm betting Sharon is regretting moving to Stoneybrook. She lost both kids. Good riddance Dawn! I'm confused, it sounds like you're on MA's side too XD. Tbh, in this situation, I don't really think there are "sides" to take, at least not for me. I understand why Dawn moved back to California and why Mary Anne was hurt as a result. Tbh, I'm betting Sharon regrets it a little bit sometimes. She did get married and gain a stepdaughter (and the two seem close in later books), though, and I guess she at least gets to see Dawn and Jeff for a few months out of the year. It's a pretty complicated situation imo.
|
|